Published Dec. 22, 2025, 9:02 a.m.
9am Vicky Davis Technocratic Communism The United Nations as an organization is world communism. The strategy to impose world communism on the people of the United States (and the other countries in this hemisphere) has been economic rather than military as the people were led to believe it would be. It's our own leaders who were the Pied Pipers leading us to this demise of the U.S. I'm working on a timeline that shows the who, when and what. 10am Karen the Riveter - Encouragement, News and Views X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1MnxnPvDAzXGO Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/636616148890812/videos/1542428490418767 Rumble: https://rumble.com/v73bycy-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-12222025-technocratic-tyranny-and-encouragemen.html https://rumble.com/v73byak-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-12222025-technocratic-tyranny-and-encouragemen.html BNN Live: https://Live.BrandenburgNewsNetwork.com Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Vicky Davis, Karen the Riveter
good morning and welcome to brandenburg news network i am donna brandenburg and let's see it's the twenty second day of december twenty twenty five and it feels good to be back talking to everybody again today and i hope you're having a great start to the christmas season and let's bring vicki on we're gonna have vicki on at nine o'clock and karen's gonna be on with encouragement at ten we just had a really interesting discussion before you know just for a few minutes before we got online i'm gonna finish posting everything here to make sure everything up and running But do you have a hard time with the holidays? Not so much. I used to, but no. I always liked the holidays except for all the work that goes with it. You know, I pretty much like things to be steady along, you know. Yeah, I get that. I get that. I know a lot of people have a hard time during this time of the year. You know, I know several people have lost loved ones and that sort of thing. And that's always difficult for a lot of people to get through the holidays, even though there's a lot of good things that happen. And I think focusing on that, what we were talking about before we got on just for a few minutes was how to get past hard things in life or difficult situations and be able to move on. And continue to take that as a lesson rather than a defeat. And I think that it really shows a lot of maturity when you can see things for what they are. and go on and do the right thing or continue to fight anyhow, even, even though somebody may be not treating you well and that sort of thing, you just got to make decisions on how you're going to deal with it and not just sit and spin on, on the pain that you're involved in, you know, and you can, you can really, you can really, uh, uh, turn it into something really good. I know God does that every day, but what are your thoughts? Yeah, I pretty much feel the same way. It's, you know, the motto, this too shall pass. And you live through it, you learn from it, and then you move on. And bad circumstances can't define us. You can't let bad circumstances define you. You've got to know who you are and know who God created you to be. And if he thinks you're okay, well, I would be listening to him instead of everybody else out there, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. You can't live your life based on what other people think about you because it will destroy you. Yeah. So, you know, like what we were talking about is to a certain degree is we both grew up as very poor kids. And, you know, kids that were in trauma, let's put it that way, kids that were in trauma. And at this point in my life, I would never go back and change anything because it's sort of like you earn stripes, let's put it that way, as you go through trauma or trouble. And you can decide to feel sorry for yourself and let it stop you and ruin your life. Or you can just say, well, that person was a real jerk and I'm not going to repeat what they do and I'm certainly not going to give them one more minute of my time thinking about their bad behavior because I got better things to do than to waste it on idiots and bad people, you know? Absolutely. So you turn it into something good. Speaking of which, um, we were going to talk about, uh, localization of global affairs. You sent me a link there, something else that I had been posting. I posted on a little bit is that, did you know that? Seventy-nine percent of the liars, that come here as refugees in fleeing danger, go back and vacation in their country of origin. Now tell me, how does this make any sense? It's like common sense says that they were fleeing danger. They aren't going back because there's bodily, they're not going back to vacation. So where's the money being laundered? Well, the whole refugee resettlement thing, It was a fraud from the beginning. And I realized that when I started looking at, well, not just from the Bush administration and his new world order, which should have been marketed as what he actually said, which was Pax Universalis. Okay, Pax Universalis means one world. And that was the real shocker that should have been talked about but wasn't. It was just kind of swept under the rug. But when, well, Bush did a few things. He started a redesign of the health care system. And he had an initiative called the Enterprise of the Americas. And when you drill down on those two things, especially the enterprise of the Americas, what you find out is that they were initiating a regional governing structure, the North American Union, and ultimately the South American Union and Central America for a governing structure of the Americas, you know, which is treason. When you look at it, when you understand what the structure is, they were committing treason against our nation state. So as I was looking at that and following- Your voice is getting muffled there. I don't know if you're moving around or whatever, but- Yeah, okay. I'll move the mic a little closer. That's better. Okay. I started looking at the Clinton administration, and it was during the Clinton administration at the beginning when they said, well, the Cold War is over, so we have to define an entirely new foreign policy. And the foreign policy that they came up with was localization of global affairs. And I've been looking at this probably, I don't know, at least a month. And the conclusion I finally came up with is that the State Department actually shifted to become an agency of the United Nations, not of the United States. When did that happen and how did they do it? Well, it was all done internal to the State Department. That's where you get the localization of Global Affairs because they recruited. Now, Tim Worth, he was the Secretary of State at the time. He gave a talk to the State Department employees and told them what the plan was. And they would have to go out and find their own constituencies, you know, for the localization of global affairs. And that's when they switched from being a diplomatic agency towards working on the ground, you know, in our country and in other countries. They should never have been working in our country, but they did. And so as you follow this story along, it becomes very apparent. You see on the right-hand side of the screen there, America's Desk? Yes. Well, the State Department has desks for different regions. And so they really made the Americas a desk at the State Department. And what that says is that they moved themselves above our country. I think they became a United Nations agency, actually. Yeah, the country's dead? The State Department. The State Department dead. Yeah. Yeah, the whole thing. It seems like most of our policies are all coming through, you know, these departments and such. And Congress, they just rubber stamp things. They're not even reading what they're agreeing to on our behalf. Exactly right. And they sure don't know. They sure don't understand the structure because it's not driven by ethics, honor, morality, service or anything like that. It's all driven by those donor dollars. I'm going to tell you what. Some of the weirdest things I have seen in my travels have been tied to big money donors. You know, they're not even using their own money. Most of them. It's that they know how to use other people's money. And that's how they make money. They could never build anything on their own. Well, what they did is set up kind of a partnership between government, NGOs, and the United Nations, the State Department, the United Nations. And so it's really been all of the changes to our country, the significant changes, have been at the administrative level of government, where you can't see what they did. You have to go find it and read about it. And that's what I've been doing with this article. And I'm still working on it, but I wanted to publish it anyway, because as you go down that article, you see that they established the United Nations. Well, they focused everything on human rights. All that's going on in our country is about human rights. And they demoted us, more or less, to just simply Once they signed the trade agreements, they demoted us to just workers. We're not citizens. And in this human rights agenda, they established the Office of the High Commissioner of Human Rights. Do you ever wonder if there's an actual org chart out there on this spaghetti structure of our government? I don't know. Yeah, I'd like to see one. I don't think it exists because, you know, when I was, well, as I fight, not was, I'm still fighting water wars. And in fact, kind of have a kind of a cool turn of events that happened last week. And just so they know that everybody knows, I'm pretty sure there's a little bit of heartburn going on in Byron Township right now, which kind of leads up to entities within the state, right? And I'm sure that there's some heartburn going on in a lot of it, which is really interesting. Because if you start investigating things and going through connections that departments and people have and how they work together and such, you'll realize absolutely how convoluted this whole thing is. And that's how they hide things. So you might have to make twenty calls to to to get an answer. That's a non answer because nobody knows because they've got everybody siloed off so that they can claim that they don't have any knowledge of something. Exactly right. Yes, that is how they hide strategy. That's how they hide. But eventually if you're a little persistent, you're a little, a little bit, perhaps autistic and you weaponize that great part of your personality, you refuse to quit. And you just, I mean, you do it, you do it. You're like me. We both do it where, where we just, we're not going to quit. We're going to keep going because, because of our disdain for things that are wrong. And I mean, you know, I've heard people say we fight for what's right. I would say that I'm probably the, that's part of it, but it's also the opposite because I very much dislike things that are wrong. Very, very much. Well, they corrupted with the global agenda. They corrupted our government beyond recognition. That's a good point because I don't think anybody alive right now would even recognize what the United States of America was supposed to look like. And if they pulled the plug on some of these things that we have become dependent on by design, which need the plug pulled on this stuff, I think that people would have a very hard time coping with the reality of having to actually produce having to take care of themselves, having to take responsibility for things instead of, well, you know, it's not working out, so I'm going to go in this direction instead of, you know, maybe you should figure things out so you can be helpful to other people. Well, that's kind of the problem with what they did. What localization means is that they spun off basically governing authority to local to to the cities you know and local mayors really shocked me when general flynn started talking about and god bless general flynn that he was talking about local action equals national impact and i didn't get my arms around it to the point that i do now right away it took me a little while to understand That keeping our focus on these national and state office puppets gets the heat off of the people that are absolutely destroying our communities, our school systems, our water rights. And they're using them to build these monopolies, these supply line monopolies. they can fly kind of under the radar they try to hide things byron township the the web that when you click on for the township meetings they have maps on there that send you to other states other cities but it's never showing you where you're supposed to go or rarely in Byron Township. And they change dates. They change times. They cancel meetings. And then at the last minute, they'll have a meeting. But they really don't post it where anybody can see it because they're trying to keep people out of these meetings. And it is intentional. And the way I can prove that is we brought it up to them multiple times and said, the website is not working. It's putting people in different areas. It's changing timeframes. on there and such. And our clerk, Peggy Sattler, she just laughed. Yeah, I know. What? That means that none of the meetings are lawful at this point in time. They're breaking the law. They know, and they refuse to fix it because they don't want to fix it because they can't hide things if they do that. Because they know the only way to address that really is through an attorney to sue them. Yeah, I'm working on it. Let me just tell you. The world has some funny twists and turns to it, you know? Yeah, it's... It's so important to understand what they did to our country. And if you just start with the Clinton administration and Tim Worth, who was the... He was the attorney for the... State Department, but they created a new agency, the Agency for Global Affairs. And that's where he announced the localization of global affairs so that they could run a ground game against the people of our country, but people of the world as well. And I'm sure you know about the color revolutions. Oh, yeah. Well, if you understand what the color revolutions were about, that came from our State Department and their operatives that were on the ground. Across the globe. Yeah, across the globe. And the idea was that there should be elections everywhere. Well, you can't just take a Western form of government and drop it into some country that has no experience with that. I'm sure you remember the war in Iraq and all the people with their purple thumbs, how they voted with the dye. Well, that was part of the Global Agenda, the Color Revolution in Iraq. And they did color revolutions in many places around the world. And what got me started down this path was a statement that George W. Bush made, and he mentioned the Color Revolution group. orange revolution in ukraine and the rose revolution and the carnation revolution and and so forth but that those revolutions were the effect of localization of global affairs trying to bring everybody under a one world government I think that the best way to frame this is that there's a layering of a control structure. We think that our country has autonomy, or we were brought up to think that, but I don't think we've had it during my life at any rate, and I'm sixty-one, so I don't really think that we've had it because of so much subversion that had been going on probably for hundreds of years. The banksters the banksters, and then all of these, you know, go back to the East India Trading Company, which I really think is still alive and well. It never went away. Absolutely. And I think that commerce part of it, I mean, you talk about it all the time, but if you even go back to that marker in history and say it never went away, well, what were the pillars of trading? The Dutch East India Trading Company, think about this. Think about that power structure, and then look at the roads that were opened up over in China and the connections there. It's all commerce. It's all commerce. Yeah, it is, which is what reduced the American people to just workers. And the politicians, they just serve the corporatocracy. Yeah. That's it. Some of them, I think, probably, just my opinion, they're not smart enough to figure out what's going on. But there are a heck of a lot of them, especially in the Senate. I think if they're there. They've either been there because they've been compromised when they got there, even if they went there with good intentions. How did they get there? I know a whole bunch of people who have tried to run, not just myself, that wanted to do something. You won't even get past that. the first step in the race if you're not in league with these people. In fact, I had a guy call me, which is really shocking. He was really, really shocked. He's like, you know, I believe in the Constitution, the Constitution, but a third party can't win. Blah, blah, blah. It's like, yeah, because we've got so frickin many lemmings that keep on and bash their head against a brick wall. Right. And he's like, well, I knew whose rings I had to kiss. So he said, I went and met with a bunch of Republicans to kiss their rings to get in. And I'm like, Okay, so the compromise has already started. You've already sold out your belief system in order to get in with these people. Like, you're going to do anything? You're not going to do anything. If you're compromised at that level, it doesn't make any difference. You're not going to be able to change a thing when you get in there. Yeah. Waste of time. And so like the rest of us, if you're willing to stand for something, by the way, I am the chairman of the Constitution Party in the state of Michigan, which is the U.S. Taxpayers Party, which Jocelyn Benson will not allow us to change our name, which should be an administrative change. So, I mean, the whole thing is kind of nonsense, but I think that we can actually, if everybody gets out of their programming and their cognizant dissonance here, maybe we could actually reseat this state and kick them all out because that's what needs to happen. Yeah. Well, that's the most important thing is to understand what has been done to our country and to our people. And I like to go back to when they began with this trade agenda, because it wasn't really trade per se. It was harmonization of the economies of the different countries and regionalization. And so once you understand that, every time you hear the word trade, you know it's just totally BS. It's not about economic trade at all. It's about building a one-world governing system with trade regulated by the WTO. And the WTO, of course, it caters to corporations. Well, we can do it this time of the year with turning Christmas into, you know, it's kind of crazy to me in how our holidays have all been captured and turned into also a great big money grab for the corporatocracy. Yes. And we're dumb enough to do it, right? You were exactly right when you said everything is about money. It is. It's all about money. There is no integrity in our government. So think about this. We've been duped into having to buy a million presents that nobody needs. There's very few people that I actually enjoy getting presents from. And I mean, very few. It's not a big deal to me, really. Because I don't need any more stuff in my house. And I, you know, do you know what I mean? It's like, we all have so much stuff that, that it's kind of like, we need a little less of that. But I love experiences. I think experiences are really nice, like taking time to go to a hockey game together. And or to go to out for lunch or make something together that you can give away. I think I'm going to start classes on my bread baking because a lot of people want to know how to do that and can and put up food and such. So eventually I'm going to move into that so that I can teach people how to do some old skills. I think that is great. You know, I love it when people do that. But it's... It's not the norm. You know, the norm is go spend money. And that's all everything is about in this country. There is no morality gave way to make money. Yeah. And it's turned our entire country and our world into transactional. relationships instead of just being there because you want to help other people and and you see a need and you try to fill it you know what a great what a great gift if people would stop giving things and showed up on somebody's doorstep my collar is weird today um showed up on somebody's doorstep and um actually went to help them. Hey, you know what? I know that you're having some struggles right now. Maybe somebody had a knee replacement. So I'm going to bring you dinner tonight, you know, or what other help do you need? Or somebody that maybe needs transportation. The time is so valuable and they aren't taxing your time. So just like, I mean, I mean, I think about this, the canning and just as this is a simple example, and it's the only one I can think of right now. Okay. But like making the sourdough bread that I've been making, I'm trying to make about two loaves a day and I give, you know, what can I eat about one loaf a week, a loaf and a half maybe. And so, but I give the rest of it away and I buy really high quality flour, fifteen percent protein. And so it's actual food. It fills you up. You're feeling good. It's only flour, which is a seed when you break it down to what it is. So you're eating a seed and salt and water. That's it. That's all you have and true sourdough bread. And I figured that when you see the loaves of bread that I'm making, they're selling for about anywhere between ten and twelve dollars a loaf in the store. bread. That's about that's about what they're selling for right now. And so when when I make it and it's my time, it's probably coming out to about three dollars and fifty cents a loaf. I'm going to say that's probably what it what it costs me to make a loaf of bread because I use really high quality flour not from the United States where it's not getting drenched in glyphosates. And so when you look at putting our time into things and doing something with our time that's more profitable than on phones all the time, and we get out of the programming, how much programming is on social media, it really is time to walk away from some of these structures and do things that matter to people's lives. Yeah, I quit social media probably about seven or eight years ago. I'm not on any kind of, so the only social things I do are the two radio programs. I do yours and I do one with Darren Weeks called Govern America. And those are, you know, just one time a week each. And so that's what I do. But I, I really wish people would see the significance of understanding historically what they did to our country, because I can tell you that the country that there is now, it's not the country that I grew up in. It's just, it's a completely different world. And it's, Our country is part of the Americas. It's not really the United States of America anymore. Although Trump did bring back our borders, which was hugely, hugely important, but he didn't get us out of NAFTA. Not yet at any rate, but you know what? I think that I'm pretty hopeful. I mean, he took on quite a, he and the good guys, the white hats took on quite a job there. When you realize that the entire world was basically taken over and the population has been through decades of brainwashing. and reprogramming to value things which really have no value, like the material world really has no value. And people have been so devalued. You know, you look at people that are willing to exterminate other people for profit, and they do it all the time. I mean, the Bolshevik Revolution and the Boers, the war on the Boers in South Africa and such, he's having a problem in those areas right now because in South Africa, because of the the corrupt nature of the human beings in the world. It's not just South Africa. The United States has got it, too. I mean, it's everywhere. And, you know, you're taking on a corrupt, sinful world. That's kind of a big, big task right there. So I don't think there's a straight shot towards the solution to a lot of things, but a very well-planned out solution. a very well planned out way to, to knock some of this down. And I, I mean, I give kudos to anybody who's willing to step into the public arena. That's going to try. They're going to make mistakes. There is no person on the planet. That's perfect. People are going to make mistakes. That's another thing I wanted to talk about at some point in time. is forgiveness and forgiveness to be able to move forward. And also, if there's somebody around you who is being abusive, cutting them out of your life, because I really don't think that God wants anyone to be in an abusive situation. And sometimes it's just time to move on. There's so much to talk about. It's just incredible. Here we go. I'm going to put this up here. Karen and I'll probably get into it later a little bit, the whole holiday and abuse cycles and communication skills. For God's sakes, people need to learn to communicate. So London livery companies. Let's go back to this. Oh, this is really cool. Yeah. City of London organized, I think the year was ten sixty seven, where they it was the location of different lines of business that came together as livery companies, service companies. And they were servicing these fields of endeavor. Oh, similarly to our trade cartels we have going on right now who establish the regulations and do the inspections and then they get little comfy government jobs after they've pirated the entire industry and kept everybody out. Right. Exactly. Yes. You can't do business unless you have the approval of these livery companies. Well, the whole system of the Global economy, this is it. Each profession is attached to the London livery companies. And they basically set the standards for the profession. Well, if you can set the standards for a profession, you control the profession, right? Well, that's what I really think that most of these trade organizations are about. When you look at like the Home Builders Association in the state of Michigan, that's tied in with all the developers and builders and such, and how many local governments and municipalities are staffed by builders and developers. They're using those positions in order to profit off of them, which honestly, if anybody's interested out there, takes you out of tort. You're still in tort sometimes when you sue them, but it moves you into equity and damages. And this is something that I'm going to be teaching people, some of the knowledge that I've acquired through the water wars process, because people need to know how they're doing it and how they're literally, and also the people who have decided to join them in their piracy adventures as they basically take and pirate everything that everybody else has worked for. Right. And what I was looking at was just the United States relative to the livery company organization. But every country in the world has their associations that tie into this livery company system. And the favors that they get, they get access to, you know, well, lobbying should be absolutely illegal. They should, that should be abolished. And because that's where, you know, the money's going to be flowing through these organizations. Like there's no tomorrow. Well, exactly. Why do we allow corporations to donate to a candidate when the corporation can't vote? But it's coming. That's what Citizens United was all about, was giving corporations the rights of an individual. whatever they say, if they say anything for safety and security, you're screwed right then and there, because assume that you are absolutely being manipulated right then and there, because they know that mostly most people have a high degree of reactivity to fear. So they tap into those things that they know that human beings have an automatic predisposition to like fear. and security. So if they give you fear, fear, or they play to your fear and insecurities, they're going to have you captive every single time. You just have to walk away from fear and give everything to God and say, it's just going to be what he's going to have it. And just walk, walk up right on the earth and do the right thing. Uh-huh. If you can, I mean, the, the combination of government and corporations partnered together is almost incredible. undefeatable unless you understand what they've done what they did people should look up the term corporate personhood because you're right they did turn corporations into persons so you're supposed to be equal to general motors you're both persons right Right. But they have like billions and billions of dollars where we have to buy off our election systems on top of it, where we just, you know, roll up with our little tricycles or whatever, you know what I mean? To the voting booths that are owned by the corporatocracy and basically put the numbers in. Our votes don't count. Right. I'm sure you must have watched some of the debate on between Obamacare, between Democrats and Republicans. I actually didn't. And you want to know why? A lot of that stuff, I just don't even watch because to me, I look at it and it's all theater and I'm not going to waste my time. Well, the interesting thing, though, that they were doing, they were not talking about health care per se. They were talking about insurance. So the real nub of the debate comes down to which party is going to receive donations from their benefactors for getting this law passed? Who is going to get your tax dollars to subsidize an insurance company? I mean, come on. There it is right in your face. But was anybody... exposing the reality of what they're really debating. Not that I saw. Right. You know, they, they would every once in a while, they would throw in the term healthcare, but you know, when you look at the prices that they're charging for insurance, it's outrageous. No matter who wins, you know, if, uh, Democrats get their, uh, subsidy from government or, um, or they don't, the prices for the health insurance are just outrageous. I don't know how any family affords, you know, to pay that for insurance. Well, they got everybody into this trap. It's like, oh, I've got to work for my pension. I got to work for insurance. I got to have these benefits. So this is how I'm going to, you know, put my entire life on hold for this. And it's sort of a bait and switch. It's a trap, in my opinion. When I look at the way pensions work in general, you're just getting crumbs. And we looked at it for what we have to pay for insurance for employees in our union company, because we have one union company and the rest of them are all private, right? And so, but it's what we have to pay in an hourly rate per employee into a union company is like four times what we could buy private insurance for. And so whenever you look at benefits that you're getting, realize that there's a cost there. It's just like the pensions. It's the craziest thing. I look at that and go, why would you put thirty years into a company to get X amount in a pension where if you probably would have broken off on your own and done your own company, if you could do such a thing and maybe, you know, worked your way at it, you'd make so much more money. The potential is there and it's yours and you can choose how much you want to work and how successful you're going to be. And the other thing is that you don't have to worry about a plant closing because if something goes wrong, you just sidestep it and step around the problem. We have more control. But that's also that fallacy that there's security in a job. People think, well, I'm working for this company, I'm secure. No, you're not. You're not any more secure than anybody that has their own business. It's a mirage. It's an illusion. Yeah. Well, they pretty much put everybody, individuals, out into the cold. You know, when you have government partnering with corporations, no matter what comes out of the politician's mouth, it's for the corporation, not for you. Well, you've got China right there. I mean, that's how China nationalized all its businesses. And that's pretty much what the United States, where we are right now, with public-private partnerships, as well as the corporations. The corporations, it's one great big beast system. Yeah, well, you're exactly right. They're converting our system to, they call it the state capitalism. Oh, is that what they call it? Which is an oxymoron, I think. How is it that the state can own any land and fifty two percent of our land west of the Mississippi is owned by the government? I'm like, are you kidding? Are you totally kidding me? Michigan, the DNR claims four point six million acres. Singapore owns five percent of our our U.P. I'd hate to see how many other states. foreign companies own land here, but if the corporations own it, that's foreign investment. That is selling to a foreign government. I don't get it. I don't know why we are putting up with this crap. Because people don't understand it. They can't imagine that our government sold us out the way that they did. Because when you think of government, you think, well, you know, they're working for us. You know, they did this and it hurt me. But there must be some benefit to doing it. But no, when they created, well, when they signed NAFTA and NAFTA harmonized laws across the three countries, basically they were building a governing structure over the top of our governments. Yeah, they stole the United States. yes yes it is it's grand theft country and i've it is i've written that you know i have i'm sure i have an article either on my old website or on the new one called grand theft country oh you gotta find that one that sounds great i want to read that one okay let me see Well, I was going to ask you too. I should probably ask offline, but if you want to put your stuff on, on Brandenburg News Network, I would just, I would absolutely just host it for you because your, your information that you have spent decades on is so valuable. You know, there, there's the thing. If any of you guys want to give yourself a Christmas present, turn off social media and go get on a channel like, like Vicki's that has actual information and educate yourself. She does it all for free, too. It's a free gift. It's a gift from Vicki. Because I want my country back. Yeah, that's why I do BNN. You know, I funded this whole thing, which puts it into my freedom of speech category. I say whatever the hell I want to say, you know. Uh-huh. Do you see that? I don't know. There's been some really funny memes out there on freedom of speech. As long as you don't talk about certain things. Somebody was supposed to be coming on here today at ten, but it was a pastor and he has a funeral. And he's like, I don't know if you really want this on your channel. It's fairly controversial. I'm like, bring it. I mean, that's what we need to be talking about is this kind of stuff that is the uncomfortable truth that nobody wants to face. Right. And it's not uncomfortable to me. Well, I didn't talk to people very early on, except for the few internet friends that I had at the time, because everybody thought, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. Well, no, I'm not. I started actually researching things, trying to find out Why are we doing this? You know, what was the source of it? How have they changed our country? And they basically stole our country right out from under us. Yeah, they sure did. Okay. So President Bush and Vincent Fox will meet on February, at Fox's ranch. Mr. Bush's first border crossing as commander in chief. So this is from the New York Times. Seeing the border is a symbol of unity, calling Mexico and United States next-door neighbors with common needs and intertwined fates. Yeah, they want to kill all of us with the drug cartels. Yeah, intertwined fates. They signed all these agreements as if whoever they're signing with is our very best friend in the world. But there but you i mean that's just so ridiculously stupid countries have their own interests and i think it actually i do believe it was intentional and the idea was to destroy our country Well, yeah, I mean, the refugees, it's not a refugee. They're like President Trump said, they're not like sending us their best and their smartest. OK, so I'm going to say something real controversial right now that does not make any sense when you think about it. OK, and facts matter. I don't care what anybody thinks that they are. When you look at facts. And you have to sit and ponder it. Don't even think don't even respond to this. Just think about this. Average IQ in India is like eighty. Whoa. I want you to think about this. All right. And we are we have been taught that the Indians are so much smarter than the than people of the United States of America. Right. And we've been importing Indians in here. I'm not saying that all people from India are a questionable IQ. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that at all. But I'm saying that if that's the average IQ of India and they're smarter than the United States, how is it that there are people walking around breathing here? Okay. And why are they importing people in? It's to dilute the brain trust here. And they don't have to pay them as much. When you look at how they migrated so many people from India over to the United States, they were promising two hundred thousand dollar a year jobs. When they got here, they had to stay in certain companies and they were only getting one grand. So who the hell is taking the other hundred sixty per person? They didn't come over here with any talent. That to me looks like human trafficking. Well, yeah, it was. A war on the American people to basically drive down wages in the United States, but also to dilute our population. Yeah. I did a lot of research on that when I was first trying to figure out what's going on with all these H-B with the H-B visa. And why are they importing all these people to take jobs that I used to do? And I found a guy named Harris Miller, a real dirt bag. He started out in California putting Cesar Chavez's Farm Workers Union out of business. What he did is he arranged with the California State Agricultural Association or department. They started flooding California with illegals from Mexico to basically crush the union, crush the farmworkers union. Well, that guy then was asked to head up an organization called the Information Technology Associates of America, where he did the same strategy, you know, to destroy American IT people by massively importing people from India. And I was on the internet, you know, doing a lot of surfing. I found groups of Indians that they were asking each other questions like, what's VSAM? What, you know, how do you How do you do this? How do you do that? They didn't know anything, but they were imported as experts. Yeah. It's kind of sad. It's kind of sad and interesting, isn't it? I'm trying to find some images. They're trying to hide this on me. This is really funny. I'm looking for images. I can get all stuff here. International IQ test, Wikipedia. Oh, I'm sure that that's unbiased. Yeah, it has lots of questions, right? Let's see what Datapandas say. That's got kind of like a questionable situation here. Let's see where we're going to show up. All right. So let's check this out just for a minute. Now, I can't vouch for this. This could be really, really super off. But let's go down the list here on the side. Japan is one hundred and six. And got the Asian countries over here that are. beating the crap out of everybody. You've got Europe, back to Asia, Canada, Australia, Hungary. Now, just to look at the average IQs of different countries, I'm sorry, but I would like to correlate that with where people are immigrating from, and I think that's going to tell us a lot of things that people don't really want to hear, but facts are Facts are facts. Right. And it actually, once people really absorb the concept that there's asymmetric warfare being waged against the American people, the things that they do, like massively importing refugees, makes sense in the context of war. does not make sense in the context of business or what's good for our country or anything else. It only makes sense in the context of asymmetric warfare. Well, and look at what they've done to the way people think about it. They think that everybody's an island and has to win, win, win over all others, that sort of thing. When if we cooperate a little bit, with each other and we're looking for the best solution, you don't have to step on everybody else. And the way that they have imported immigrants into the United States, and unfortunately, a lot of them are pawns. I don't just say that there's a blame game that needs to be had here. It's just factual analysis of this, that if you pull in a bunch of people who have a very lower IQ, And why? What are you actually? You got to ask questions. That's all I'm saying here. And it should be. But look at here. This has got India at an average IQ of seventy six point two four. This should. And they're telling us, well, we need to have Indians here because they're smarter than us. We had a twenty point spread here, guys. And I would like to see historically where the United States used to be before we started importing. people in under the guise of being smarter you know what i mean uh-huh it doesn't make sense and uh you know it it just doesn't make sense the way that that they're portraying it yeah it only makes sense in the context of war yeah and so And the idea of defeating our country and standing up a world governing system, one world. And that's what the State Department was engaged in with the localization of government affairs. And I really would encourage people to read that article and think about it, you know, give it some thought, compare it to, you know, what's, what's been said, what's being said in the media. The media is not your friend. No, no, no. At this point in time, question everything. So is this the, this article, what are other points in here that you think is a real, is, is beneficial for people to know? Um, That one is the, what, the Trojan Triangle? Yeah. Let's see. It's how they set up, how they step by step basically stole our country right out from under us. with these so-called trade agreements that are not about trade they're about harmonization for the ultimate purpose of eliminating our borders and establishing the americas as a continental governing structure they've done this step by step and you can discover each step along the way Yeah, it's an interesting psyop on how to degrade a society. You know, when I started homeschooling my kids, there was a book out there, and I think it was called Dumbing Down of America. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And how how they have taught because everybody's got to feel good about things and there's nothing to strive for. So we're just going to pass everybody where they know it, you know, whether they know it or not, because we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings or actually make them work or, you know, whatever it may be, find their actual talents that God has given them. And how they taught to the lowest common denominator in all the classes so they could pass them because it's all about getting that money, the federal money for the schools and state money. And it's unfortunate, but it's really, it's always about the money grab. Follow the money and you'll figure out where things are going and why it's going in that direction. It's really true. On C-SPAN this weekend on the Q&A program, they had the author of a book called the bell curve. And I so admire this guy's courage because what he was writing about with the bell curve is the scale of intelligence. And so, you know, that sounds interesting. Yeah. Um, it, and it is a scale, you know, you say India, the average IQ is about seventy four. Yeah. Well, One hundred is the top of the it's the average. I don't know if it's called the mean. I'm not a mathematics person, but one hundred is, I guess, the world average for IQ. And so and one hundred, I have to say, is not very smart. Well, and I tell you, there was I was talking to a friend of mine who is he's he's a pretty high ranking guy in the military. And he was telling me, too, that the military has determined that people under a certain level are untrainable to do anything. Yes. And I think that he that the number said is forty five percent. Of the population. Wow. And that that's like that was like. soberingly frightening, you know? And, uh, uh, it's like, okay, it's not that I'm saying that they have, that people have less value, but I'm going to tell you right now, my, my special needs daughter, who's, who's, who's, who's, who's, who's, who's, who's, who's, who's, who's, who's, but she's about because of the brain damage she had from that, from her accident. Um, she, uh, She's about three years old on a good day. All right. And we can say that everybody's got the same value, which they do. Everyone is created by God and everybody has the same value, but we're not all equal in our talents. I could never be a basketball player. Okay. First of all, I would totally suck at it. Okay. And I don't like playing it because I just don't like basketball. Right. And I'm no good at it whatsoever. Right. And so we have to be realistic on the things that we can do in our gifts and run with the gifts that God gives us. Doesn't mean we're any less valuable no matter what. But I sure as heck would not want my daughter doing brain surgery on somebody just because they wanted to get a feel good pass. I'm going to tell you what, it wouldn't it wouldn't end well. Well, and you wouldn't you wouldn't want me as a physician, as a surgeon, because I would pass out cold on the floor. I would. Yes. I just simply can't deal with anything medical like that blood or, you know, I just I don't know. It just I pass out. And so. But everybody has their talent, whatever it is. It's just some talents are more valuable to society than others. Well, in the right place. I mean, everybody's valuable if they're doing what they do best and using their talents, you know, because it's just like, you know, with a company that the person that is doing the garbage removal is just as valuable as anybody else. And usually when I show up, I'm the least valuable because I stop work and because I talk to people, honestly, which is kind of ironic, right? Yeah. It's really true. It's all in how you look at things, you know? Yeah. Yeah. As long as you have respect for other people, regardless of their talent, we're all humans. Right. I think, I think the biggest thing in looking at these things like IQ factors and saying, well, we got to bring Indians in because they're smarter than America. And then you look at Americans and you look at the IQ map and say, hold phone here. What kind of weaponized bullshit is this? And, and what are they really doing and where's the money behind it? Because they're lying all the time. So a little common sense to question everything probably goes a long ways. Well, um, Try to find that program on C-SPAN interviewing that author of The Bell Curve. He wrote a new book. And, of course, you know, it's been over, oh, well, about thirty years since he wrote The Bell Curve. So he's learned a lot. He's evolved and doesn't change his work, doesn't change, you know, what he said because what he said was true. It's just that people couldn't handle it, you know. Here's one. It's got like two point four million views. Let me show you what I pulled up. Tell me if I'm getting if I'm getting warm here. The most contrary. This one. This is a book. So would that be. That looks like two two people that are discussing it. Okay. Charles Murray. Charles Murray. That's his name. Charles Murray. Here's the bell curve revisited right there. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know what? Let's see. I'll post that on my Telegram channel if anybody wants to see, and we'll watch it together because I have not watched that, but it sounds like probably a good thing to be aware of, just like the dumbing down of America. I should pull that book out too, just a minute. Charlotte Iserbyte. Yeah. Dumbing Down of America. Who wrote it? Charlotte Iserbyte. I-S-E-R-B-Y-T-E. Yep, there you go. Let's see if I can grab some images so people know what it looks like. Ta-da! I actually have this book too. The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America. Several of them. Yeah, probably different. Well, this is actually something that we've been talking about in my family right now, too, is in a way to cope with the holidays and not get dragged into drama. Sometimes when people talk about things that are just drama and nonsense, we actually went to a coffee shop this week in this area. And I'm going to contact the company because it was so ridiculous. We couldn't even talk due to the gossip of the gals making coffee behind the counter. They were so loud. And it was all it was all gossip and who did this and that and why I should be able to slap my mom and all this sort of thing. I sat there completely and utterly shocked and didn't sit there for very long. We got up and left because I'm like, I'm not going to sit here and listen to this. You know, this is like, you know, this is some sort of drama theater theater going on there. And and they didn't even have the I don't know it. It's time to start talking about things that have a little more value to them other than this nonsense of he did, she said it, da, da, da, da, da, da. I'm so sick of it. And I think we've lost the social graces. Yeah. And, you know, just finding topics that people can enjoy talking about and, I don't know, being interested in other people's lives instead of, pushing your own psychosis on everyone. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. It's like listening to their little private therapy session to the world. That's what happened in this coffee shop. I was like, I'm kind of done with this. I mean, this person needs to not be behind a counter somewhere. And a therapist or something. Yeah, go get a therapist and, and bring sunshine to the area you're at. But this isn't where you just like, you know, air everything to the world and and uh i don't know it was it was kind of crazy really i don't think i've seen it seen it to that to that degree in a very long time and and that was actually at a big b coffee and i was like okay well i guess we're not going back here again because it was such an unpleasant interaction that and that i'm like they're not their heads not in the game and and uh i don't know it was negative so but anyhow what are you doing for christmas uh absolutely Nothing except working on what I work on. To hanging home all day. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's all day, every day. I'm obsessed, you know. Yeah, I get that. And I'm running out of time. So that's on my mind as well. You want to get everything done and And well, I tell you what, the amount of work you've done is just extraordinary. And I just really want to thank you for everything you've put into everything. And you've just done it because of your sense of, of wanting the world to be right. And I, I just admire you for that. Well, I know it sounds, it seems kind of crazy, you know, trying to save the world, but that's the task I took on. So that's what I do. I love it. And you know, I think it's always been that way. It's one person at a time deciding that they're going to make a difference, even if the rest of the world doesn't. Yeah. Right. Thanks. Well, you have a great day today and thanks for being on again today. And I'm back in the saddle here. I've gotten some of my legal, I'll bring Karen on a minute. You can stay there for just a second. I've gotten some of my, the, the legal monkey off my back just a little bit. And, uh, the fight for real right now is, is kind of epic. If, if, uh, If you want to know what's going on, I'm going to be talking a little bit about it, but not a lot about it right now because it's gotten interesting. Let's just put it that way. And it's going to continue to get interesting. And I'm pretty sure that we're going to find out that there's a lot of really bad, really, really bad people that are fighting out there. And there are those of us who are willing to do whatever it takes To take this nation back, such as myself. And just so you guys know, I'm going to tell you this, that one of the attorneys that I was working on, they found him dead about a week and a half ago. Oh, no. So if you don't think that there's some of us out there that are making a few enemies because we're exposing things and you don't think anything's happening out there, you're wrong. And there's a lot that's out there that's happening. There's a lot of people who have laid their lives down for this country, not just in the past, but right now. And there are a lot of people that are walking forward in danger because they believe in this so strongly that they will never quit. They will never quit. There's nothing that you're going to do that's going to make me and other patriots stop. until we get this thing figured out. But yeah, that was kind of a shocking call because he had called me about a, Oh, I don't know. It was like a few months ago or not a few months ago, a few weeks ago, but a month ago and said that one of my hearings that, um, one of my, uh, that a trial that we're going to be going to on the signature gatherers who stole and manipulated the it got moved up a year and I was pretty excited about this. And I'm like, this is kind of odd. The timing is odd on this. And guess what? About three weeks after that call found him dead. So if you don't think we're in a real fight, it's time to wake the hell up everyone. Because if we don't stop these people now with water wars, And with their threats that they have on the United States in the court systems and the corporate takeover, the draining of the water, the energy monopolies and such, you're going to be in a pen you aren't going to ever get out of because there comes a point of no return. Yes, that's exactly right. If we have a chance to fight it now, if we would have started fighting this stuff back in the seventies, we wouldn't be where we are now, but everybody was playing full time. And now it's time to get down to business before we have no options. God's only going to let this go on for so long, just so people know. I'm very, very sorry to have lost this individual, but at this point in time, you know, we're putting everything in God's hands and knowing that he's, he's got us. I'm not, I'm not afraid. And I hope nobody else is afraid either. It just strengthens my resolve to literally go forward until my last breath and whatever that may look like. So, but anyway, well, thank you for having me. It's been great as always. I love talking to you. I know we have a great time, don't we? And everybody go to the Technocratic Tyranny. That's one of Vicki's websites and also Channeling Reality. And I'll post that on my Telegram channel for you. It's ChannelingReality.com. and the technocratic tyranny.com. So, well, we'll see you next week, Monday, Vicki, and let's get back in the saddle here. I've gotten some monkeys off my back and other ones that are going to be bigger, but we're just going to continue on here. Okay. Okay. Sounds good to me. Merry Christmas. Thank you. Hey, Karen, are you there? Good morning. Good morning. How are you? I'm tired. Yeah, Karen and I went to a hockey game last night. Yeah, and then I stayed up late after that, watching TV, chilling. Because I don't have an off switch in the evening. Like most people, when you get tired, you go to bed, I suppose. Most people are that way. Yeah. So I don't feel high IQ today. Well, there you go. I'm trying to figure out why my I've got my my phone plugged in here because I've got like five screens and one of them is going on my phone and I have no idea why. This thing is not charging. So I'm going to run out of charge here pretty quick. Let me see if I can move this around. So what do you want to talk about today? We were talking last night about being encouraging to people. I mean, every time I go through stuff with Vicki, it's always we're talking about very serious stuff, very, very serious stuff. And there are things that have to be talked about, quite honestly, that. that need to be dealt with. We need to deal with these things and not shy away from them and going, oh, whatever, we're happy to us. And it's too much stress for me. Guys, we're in a war, all right? And we're going to have to treat it as such and get in the game for realsies and continue on this fight. in order to write what is wrong. We can't just turn our backs on it anymore. So we were talking last night about being encouraging about Christmas and this thing is not going to charge, is it? So I'm going to have to figure something else out or else I lose one of my screens here. But what do you want to talk about today? Let's be encouraging to everybody. I was thinking this morning of like, I'm not planning to visit my parents. uh i don't expect to see my brothers but i will be seeing other family and friends uh besides last night this week i've got a couple of other dinners planned christmas eve and christmas day um with my sister-in-law and and then with um A bunch of family members that are related to my chiropractors. We go to their house traditionally on Christmas instead of to our own family. And it's kind of funny, but they're really close friends. And so they're planning to have a bunch of people over and it'll be kind of noisy and boisterous and playful and fun. And that's great. And I'm not related to any of them. And I was thinking about how there's a lot of people, like Vicki said, she's just content to sit at home by herself. And I think there's a lot of people that, even if they feel content to do that, there's probably a sense of, well, gee, I wish I had XYZ situation today. Because when you know that a lot of other people are doing that, and you're not, you have a sense of feeling left out and lonely, especially on that day. Wednesday, Friday, it may not matter so much. But so if you're heading into Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, and you know you're not going to be with somebody else, my challenge is find somebody that you know, that you ask, can I join you for Christmas? What's the worst that can happen is they say no, and then you find out what kind of person they are. Because if they're going to have a gathering and they're not going to invite or allow somebody else that they know to join them, unless you have a history of creating problems when you're in a group of people... If you're just a generally nice person with a normal IQ. But how can we be objective about that, Karen? You and I would be like, well, sure, join us. There's always room at the table, right? So if you feel like you're going to be alone, but you know some people, ask somebody. Because even if you're sitting there feeling a little awkward... It would be better than if you were sitting at home feeling really, really sad and sour for yourself and lonely. You know what? I'm going to tell you. If somebody's feeling sad and lonely, I would say that they're not in denial of how bad the world sucks. You know, seriously, think about this. I think all of us inside really long for heaven and that family that's always glad to see you on your good days, your bad days, that you don't have to smile when you're feeling bad and that somebody will look at you and say, how you doing? You look like you're struggling right now. and actually care instead of expecting people to show up, you know, being the, the, the pinnacle of happiness and bringing happiness to every situation. Would it be great if everybody just was honest? You know, I mean, you know, you know me and I know you really, you know, we know each other really well. We're really, really good friends. Okay. And the great thing about our friendship, I was telling somebody about all of the things that I love about Karen. Really. And, you know, I was discussing it. In fact, I was telling that to my husband this morning when we were talking about it. And I was telling him everything that I love about Karen the Riveter. And why we are such great friends. And I'm like, when we first met, and this is really funny. Karen was like, and what do you know about this? And what do you know about this? And she's like, I'm not a focus group here. Okay. I know nothing about any of this, you know, but I'm trying to learn here. Don't expect me to be an expert on every situation out there. And I thought it was like pop quiz, hot shot. Yeah. Yeah. Who do you think you are? I'm like, I'm just trying to solve things. Okay. I'm really not a big deal. I show up a horse manure. Okay. The bar is low. And so anyhow, um, And over time that the relationship just really grew. And the great, the great thing about it is because I can tell you right now on my best days and my worst days, when Karen has been there and there's been a few days that have been really worst days, I'm going to tell you, Karen changed everything because she watched how brutally I was being attacked and And you can really see a person's faith and action at those times. A person who serves God doesn't beat you up. Typically, when they're mature and they're really able to put things in perspective, they're going to lift you up in those bad times. They're not going to cut you down. If they disagree with you, they're going to handle it with grace, unless, of course, there's an actual threat. to people being hurt. Now you've got a warrior spirit that's going to come out and it's not going to be good for anyone. But when you have friends, and I was thinking about this lately too, about what defines someone you actually call a friend and people that you just know. And sometimes people move into that friendship realm. But just because you know somebody doesn't mean that they're going to be a real friend. Yeah. That there's a big difference between acquaintances and when you consider a true friend, a friend for life. And it's an amazing process when you find people who are true friends. And for me, it's typically somebody who, who is a brother or sister in the Lord because we're aligned on integrity and honor above just playing and And want our lives to matter because we want our lives to matter for Christ. We know what he gave up for us. We know what he was willing to endure for us. And because of that, for me, I can't even fathom that kind of love that I want to know everything about him. And I want to serve him. And I want to make him smile by doing the right thing when the rest of the world is absolutely doing the wrong thing. And I'm not saying the whole rest of the world because there's a lot of good people out there. That's not it. But there's a lot of examples of bad things too. And it's very difficult for most people not to just want to be accepted and want to have everybody's favor and want people to like them instead of saying, you're not doing the right thing. So I will not be going down the path you're going down right now. In fact, your path ends right now. We're going to stop this behavior, hold you accountable because you are doing the wrong thing and it's hurting other people. And that's not okay. Yeah, and you and I both know that this kind of friendship is rare. I've had people that I felt like I was getting close to talk to on a regular basis, but then... When distance or commonalities that are simple and earthly kind of divide you and your attentions, all of a sudden the relationship falls apart and you just don't communicate anymore and it's gone. And then you find out that they weren't the true friend that you may have thought they were. They didn't care about you the way that you thought and you and I had come from different places in our histories. Like in, in my case, I moved all over. I had a lot of moves from in my childhood. So I would start to get friends in school. And just about the time I start developing a stronger relationship when there was those, because there were times where there wasn't, then we'd have to move. And my last move to school, to high school to finish out two and a half years. And I never developed any kind of strong relationships. I had those acquaintances of people I could hang out with to be social with during the days in schools, but didn't do any kind of hanging out after school and stuff with anybody because it was just like, well, I just kind of gave up on it. Even in college, I couldn't even tell you the names of my roommates now because we just didn't keep it up. There weren't the strong relationships then. I knew that if we were going to be separated, being in the same space in the same time is not enough to carry you through a long-term, honest, loyal relationship. And you and I, we don't have the simple commonalities that most people start those acquaintances with and then build friendships on. Like, you know, being part of a team for a few years. In my case, a team that's forged through hardship and challenges. Not a single one of them have communicated with me in a few years since we parted ways. That happens in churches a lot too. I remember my mom got Bell's palsy. My dad got so sour on the church because he was an elder in the church. I mean, my dad was a very godly man. He not only, he really, but he had no tolerance for, For fakeness at all. I mean, it was right out there, no filter at all. Right. And, but he was always the first one there and the last to leave. And my mom, she had Bell's palsy. She'd gotten it three times in her life. And it was called Melkerson Ryerson syndrome because she kept getting it back. And she was, she really, she really struggled. Her face was paralyzed on one side and it would jump sides and, Depending on. And so when she got that, no one would help her. The doctors weren't helping her. Mom and dad, they were older again and they're sitting in their house and not one person from that church reached out to them. And my dad never went back again. He they basically abandoned human beings. And I got to say kudos to dad. I think it was great. And I hate to say it, I'm a lot more directed to the point and a warrior than a lot of people are comfortable with. I started calling the doctors and telling the doctors what was going to happen. And I'm like, she's going to have four appointments by the end of today, or you're going to face the consequences of your inaction and your lack of serving somebody who needs the help. And they always want to threaten you. Well, you know, it's going to cost you a lot of money. And I'm like, it's going to cost you more money when I get done with suing you for not doing your job and not taking care of somebody who needs it. I'm going to tell you what, it was amazing. We had an appointment within two hours. The doctor decided to see it my way. And by the end of the day, I wasn't asking him for anything other than I wanted an appointment with Mayo Clinic because she was getting suicidal. And Mayo Clinic and a chiropractor. And I had a list of different people that I wanted them to try because they didn't have any answers. I'm like, we got to get to the bottom of this. because she's not doing well at all. And I'm not kidding you. It was by the end of the day, we had absolutely everything lined out. And mom and dad were so, they didn't know what to do. They sat there and they were, my dad was so grateful because he was like, I didn't know what to do. And he sat there and he was tears in his eyes. And I'm like, we're not doing this, guys. We're going to get some action out of people. And there are ways to do it. You just have to be willing to not care if they like you because the goal is more important than their opinion of you. Make sense? Mm-hmm. And I'm sitting here listening to you, and I don't know that I would be... This is one of the differences between you and I. We're both right-siders. but you're a different kind of warrior than I am. And when we get together, that's a really fantastic thing. But like, if I had, if I was in the same situation, I probably wouldn't react as you had, as you did. But when you tell me stories like that, this is the thing about friendships. Then it kind of rubs off on me. And there are times where I'm like, probably in another ten, twenty years, I'm going to be one of those more belligerent old ladies, you know? I don't care what you think, I'm pulling out now, and you're going to wait for me, and... Oh, that's funny. Well, and I think that that's why we balance each other out so well, because there's sometimes where Karen will come up and say, you know, you need to think about this a little bit and, you know, think this through just a little bit. And I'm like, yeah, she's kind of right. You know, but I think that's why we're all here together. We're here to help each other because nobody's got all the right answers. When we stand together and stop competing and listen, like I absolutely love listening to Karen's stories. And I and what and I don't mean by story story. I mean, you know, like fake stories, but her story of her life and the things she does and the things she's interested in, because she's so she's smart. OK, Karen is really, really smart. And when you listen to the detail that she pays attention to. It is inspiring the amount of thought and time she puts into details on things. Like we were talking about hydrangeas last night and the, the paying attention to the smallest detail. I'm going to tell you what, if I was ever sick, she'd be the one I'd want to take care of me. Because nothing would get past Karen without her saying, oh, well, this is happening, so we need to change this to have a better outcome because she's analyzing all the time. Mm-hmm. And you're great. Yeah, I do. That's funny because today I was thinking, I'm in a good mood because I am so happy. We're going to be having fifty degree type weather this weekend. The snow in the ice in the driveway is going down. And well, it will be. It's not there yet, but it will be. And I'll be able to get a look at my young panicles. And find out what kind of damage has been done to him with all this snow that we this unusual snow in Muskegon County. There was about three feet of snow there. Early December. And that's record. That's very unusual. It's like two feet over the average. So we had a lot more snow here than you guys had. But some of my panicles, because I left the blooms on them. Explain what a panicle is to everyone. A panicle, there's different types of hydrangeas. And two years ago, I started growing them. And my husband just let me go with it because I needed to be outside. It was really good therapy for me. So I have what we call mop head type. Those are the ones that are really pretty colors. So you get pinks and purples and blues depending on the variety and what kind of soil you have. I have those, but they require afternoon shade even in Michigan. And the panicles can grow in full sun. Those are the ones that are usually cone shaped. Some of them can be more pointy. Those are the ones that generally they start out a lime green color when they first start growing up. And then they turn white. And then they turn light pink. And then they turn various shades of bolder pink to burgundy at the end of the season. And then they turn brown when we get the humidity and the cold. Well, the warmer nights will do that to them. But in the fall, they typically will turn brown. So when you have pinnacles, you can leave the blooms on them in the fall into the winter. And that's called, quote, winter interest. Because if you've got nothing else growing in your yard, you have something to look at and you know where your bushes are in the snow. But if you did like we did and you got a whole bunch of snow, they're buried under there. And the weight of the snow on top of the blooms can snap them and snap some of the branches. Well, with my young bushes, I haven't pruned them yet because they're all still pretty young. I planted a bunch of them this last summer. So I plan to do some pruning in the spring anyway, because you can prune them late in the fall or you can prune them in the spring, which is what I want to do. So I'll be pruning them back anyway. It's not a super big deal that they have broken branches, but I want to see what the level of damage is in them. So I used to be all about animals and I could tell you stories. You know, I, I've, been around and handled all kinds of wild animals. I was showing some people some pictures and video of me when I caught the wild turkey in my yard yesterday. And they're like, what? You caught a turkey? With my bare hands, I sure did. I have turkey stories and I have raccoon stories and I have all kinds of stories that, like you said, I'm a storyteller. But the plant thing is new to me. I had to take botany in college as in order to get the minor completed. And I had to take a five hundred level course. There were kids in my class that would have species named after them. Probably, you know, they were really into botany. And here I am. You know, an animal lover wanting nothing to do with plants. I couldn't identify anything on the first day. And I had to study hard with two exams being the only things that made up my grade. I got an A- at the end, by the way. My professor was shocked. But I put the work into it. And I still don't like botany in general. But I like my hydrangeas. And you know, hydrangeas. So how this subject came up is because we're both farm girls and in, you know, from our hearts, we're, we're farm girls. Right. And so the, um, and growing up, one way you can root plants and especially hydrangeas, and I was watching this the other day because I just thought it was kind of cool, right? I like to look at plant propagation and such. And this guy was rooting a hydrangea just by taking a clipping and stuck the bottom of the leaf, took half a leaf and stuck the bottom of the leaf in a banana. There are many, many different things that you can root by sticking them into a slice, a cutting into a slice of a banana, putting it into potting soil, say, for example, and then watching it grow. And it takes about twelve, about twelve weeks and you're going to have a fully rooted plant in the start to a new hydrangea. And I was watching that video because I was thinking of you and I'm like, oh, Karen needs to know this. This is cool. So we started talking about it and Karen already knew it. So it was good. It was good. I know it well. Well, there's there's still plenty to learn. But I experimented last fall with a lot of I grew all kinds of annual plants and And some perennials, too, have planted a whole bunch of plants last year and again this year. But I wanted to know, could I, especially with the annuals, could I grow some things from cuttings so that I had them for longer? Currently, I'm looking at a cutting of a, oh, shoot, what's it called? Coleus. It's called Torch. There's something more. It's got a longer name than just Torch. It is a really pretty coleus. When you have it in the sun, it will be... I think I shared it with you. I know I posted it on Karen the Riveter. it it i had a cutting that i grew because i wanted to make it bushier and it had started to grow too tall so i snipped the top off and i kept the top as a cutting and it grew roots really quickly within that season and so i went ahead and planted it and i had two different plants from the same plant you could do that multiple times but i had one that was getting more shade than the other one And one was really more pink and pink-red color, and one was like a completely different coloration. Well, at the end of the season, I thought, let me see if I can get one more cutting and grow it over winter and plant it in the spring. And then I don't have to buy another one if I want to grow it again this year. Well, it rooted, and I have a little bitty plant. It's only a few inches tall, and it has a little teeny tiny bloom on the top of it right now. So I got some at the end of the year. I went to Weesee's in Montague. Weesee's has several different locations, and they had a lot of plants that were still in the greenhouse, and so they grew really tall. They were just leggy. They got root-bound in the pots. But they were covered in blooms. So they started giving them away for free. I grabbed a whole bunch of those, filled my van up. My sister-in-law and I, we got a whole bunch of them. And I had them in my greenhouse. I had them, which we built this last year. I had them in the sunroom. And then some of them, they just didn't seem to want to die off. They're supposed to be annuals. I have them in my house and they're still trying to bloom. Wow. Sometimes you just experiment. I have a bunch of annuals that I grew that are still blooming. I have supertunias that are still in bloom in the sunroom where it's freezing cold still. And I, I, so I've grown all kinds of stuff from cutting successfully. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. With hydrangeas, you can do it in soil. You can do it in water. You can do it with or without rooting hormones. Some people do things like a banana because it's supposed to help spur the growth, I guess. I've never used that. If you cut the ends of a willow branch, you know how they bend down towards the ground? Well, they've gone down to the ground a lot of times for a reason, but the ends of willows has a rooting compound in it. So if you soak that and then use that for your clippings and such, that will help also. Yeah, and I've got a couple of hydrangeas. I have a firelight panicle. Okay. And I have a strawberry sundae. That's a really popular one that I got this last year that had low branches on them. They're almost dragging on the ground already. So instead of pruning them off right away, I decided to go ahead and I didn't damage them, but you can you can get a little put a little cut in them. And then you just bury it into the soil a little bit, put a brick on top of it to keep it down there. And it will root sometimes. So these two, I might end up creating whole new bushes just that way with a very minimal amount of work. So this next year I'll have to check them and see if they rooted. And then I can snip off. the branch that they came from, from the original and plant it. And I'll probably have to shape them eventually so that they grow properly. But I mean, you can, you know. I want to spin off of this just a minute because we were talking about the corporatocracy out there and taking our local businesses and moving them into commerce and such. And I want to talk about this a minute because this is a great skill. And you were talking about a neighbor, I think, who has created their own types, varieties of hydrangeas. And now he's selling them, correct? It's not a neighbor. It's just a guy in a Facebook group. And he's selling these things for a hundred dollars a plant. So I think everybody, if you know, this is another thing we've been talking about is how to bring back the world working the way it used to in the way it should work, which is it'd be great if everybody had their own little business, little cottage industries, or you got families together or groups and made it more like a tribe working together. Think about your skill sets that you have. like growing plants, growing food, and sharing what we have. Something that's very shocking to a lot of people when you do farming is how much food the earth produces. It's incredible. If you start planting things and you think you're going to need more than what you actually will need, the earth outproduces you no matter what you do. Seriously. And that's why we have people who have gardens and all of a sudden everybody in the neighborhood, if you're from a farming community, has got things dropped off at their porches. Tomatoes, zucchinis, onions, potatoes. It's unbelievable how... abundant the earth is when you cut out the supply lines of those people that are making money off of your labor and such. The trade has always been a problem. Global trade has always been a problem. And that's why they try to capture the trade routes every time. The trade routes are a problem. They're going to mark things up and subvert the local trade. Here's another thing I heard this weekend, which I thought was really funny. There is a religious organization that started giving shoes away to an area in Africa. And what they ended up doing by giving away shoes to this area in Africa is they killed the local shoe trade there. And so when we give money, when, whenever we give money or give to these organizations, may not realize you think you're helping but you might might be uh enabling the destruction of that area rather than really helping people have to work and they have to be able to take care of themselves and the more dependent we are on these outside sources to produce our products, our goods and such, the more we are becoming dependent on the system that we can't get out of. So that would be a wonderful thing for people to take an inventory of your skill set and instead of buying things, use that to bless people with. Yeah, that's interesting. I heard of another one. You're going to get a kick out of this. Told my husband about it and he was just as disgusted as I was. So I watch the news sometimes just to see what they're reporting on and our DVR will record the ten o'clock Fox News, and I want to know what Al Weed is saying, because he's your friend down in Byron Township that doesn't talk about, he doesn't talk about Donna Brandenburg suing the township, he talks about the township in other ways. Yeah, Mr. Al Weed, Mr. Fox fake news there that comes to Byron Township. And last meeting, he leaves the meeting, walks behind their little throne room, you know, there's thrones, the township hall thrones goes through the back door into talking to, didn't go into like the public area. He walks right back in there to the offices with the people who have stolen three billion gallons of water. Won't, won't, won't speak to, you know, it's just, it's so rigged guys. Yeah. And I mean, so, so anyway, we can come back to that, but anyway, So I fast forward sometimes. This is where I got the post that I did late last night because I thought, well, let me see what Fox is talking about today. I fast forward through a lot of it because I'm like, I don't care what they have to say about this or that. But one night they had a report about a vending machine. And this was some kind of Latter-day Saints thing. And So if you want to donate to a cause, the vending machine has, I call it like an eight track. You remember what eight tracks look like? Yeah. So it's like a plastic card in each of the slots and they're all white with print on them. So the design is almost the same for each one, but it might have like the pet rescue is one, or there's a, I think one of them was like a service dog organization or something like that. Or, They might be like it might be like the Red Cross or this or that organization that will then take the money and do whatever they're going to do with it. So you can just, you know, put your credit card in there and click a two. I want to donate to the local shelter. And the thing turns and the plastic card comes down and you can see below. You don't get to pull it out. You just watch it fall. And then you go home feeling all warm and fuzzy that you donated money that you have no idea is going to do anything that you thought it was going to do. But you feel all warm and fuzzy. Instead of going down to your local shelter and saying, what do you guys need this week? Do you need dog food? Do you need blankets? Do you need straw for the outdoor kennels? Do you need tarps? Oh, man, the shelter wanted people to physically help wrap a kennel one day because the snow was coming the next day. And I found out about it after the fact. But they had a picture with two bulldogs in there. And people threw a fit because they had bulldogs outside. And they said, we clean their kennel inside. And they go into an outside kennel for a few minutes in the cold. I'm like... They got a few minutes of outdoor fresh air and you people are complaining. Bring them in. It's too cold for the poor babies. I'm like, go down there and adopt them then. Yeah. You know, go and help them wrap the tarp. Put the straw on the ground. Go clean the kennel for them. Go wash the dog that's got fleas. Stop whining and complaining about something and do something about it. Do something to fix it. You know what really amazes me is to listen to people going, oh, look at the wild horses. They're running free and they're so happy because they're free and they're not confined. I'm like, Do you know anything about horses whatsoever? And the answer to that is mostly no. It's like horses will live a maximum of five years out in the wild. They're a food source. They've got things hunting them. They're an animal of prey that want to eat them. Five years, really? Yeah, it's like a deer. Horses only live past that because people take care of them. And they get one abscess in a foot and they're done. I mean, lion, lion food time for them or, you know, or coyote or wolf or whatever they get eaten. It's their food source. Do they get colic in the wild? I don't know. I would assume so because it is the number one killer of horses. And so, but I, but you know, we feed, we don't feed them in the way that they would eat in a wild. So I was wondering, it's like water, the biggest thing I really think, you know, somebody said, you know, figure out what causes colic and you'll be a bazillionaire. And I'm like, well, I can tell you what causes most of the colic. It's that they stop drinking. They just forget to drink when the seasons change. If you make sure that the horses have enough water and sometimes, you know, we've gone to mashing a lot of our food, you get rid of colic because they have enough moisture, you know, the liquid in their guts to keep things moving. Do the Indian horses have a higher IQ than American horses and they don't forget to drink? I don't know. I don't know what it is. I think it's kind of funny, but it's actually, that's, that's actually, if you want to know how to keep your horses from colicking, make sure they've got a good clean water source. And I would assume that they have a problem because if they're not, if they're running in the water, the water gets low, they're going to die. I mean, they, they have to have a lot of water and it's got to be consistent because they're eating They're eating, you know, grass, dry grass and all that sort of thing. Horses have a pretty good life when they're in when they've got a good owner that loves them. And they'll do things that they wouldn't normally do because you're the apex predator in the woods. They're not scared of anything. They know that you'll take care of it. And so you give them confidence. And so that's why they live to thirty, thirty five years. The horses on Mackinac Island, the draft horses, normally draft horses die around twenty. They live to forty years old because they're being exercised every day and taken really good care of, you know. And so it's a misconception. But back to what you were saying, there are so many things that can be done to make the world a better place if you're a little disciplined. and you decide to put your time in instead of your mouth. How many things can you think of, Karen, that you could do for Christmas that would cut out the commercial, aspect of Christmas, you know, like I'm making bread. Right. And but what about this? What about finding out if somebody needs some painting done or caulking in the caulking done on their house or cleaning off a sidewalk or a driveway? If if somebody's having a hard time getting their driveway cleaned up instead of calling the city and just complaining. Why don't you get out there and do it? And then maybe make a friend and see if there's a real problem there. It's an interesting question because I'm in a Facebook group for a neighboring township. And they had this whole discussion about plowing of driveways for seniors. Apparently there had been a millage countywide that was approved for But the county decides where that money goes and it gets apportioned out. a little here and there to the different townships. So then the townships keep a list of who has requested it, but it doesn't cover everybody. So you got a bunch of seniors, and my township is rural. It's much more rural than yours. Some areas are kind of like, not quite suburbia, but there's, you know, if you could see your neighbor, you're good. But there's a lot of people who've been out here for years, But then suddenly they're not capable of doing their own driveway. They don't have the income to take care of it. Everybody gets old, so it's good to help people who are older or that are. Yeah, but here's the thing. They're not, a lot of them are not on social media. You know, Vicki, I was listening to her, so I was kind of thinking about this. She says, I haven't been on social media for six or seven years. And I'm thinking, nowadays, I think I would feel a lot more lonely if I didn't. you know, I'm anonymous and carrying the Riveter on Facebook. I don't have a carrying the Riveter account and I don't have an account with my true name. And I'm, I don't post from my account. I, I talk about hydrangeas or dogs or whatever. I mean, different groups of things. And I, I watch what's happening in the local townships and I, but I have access to that. So I have some awareness of what's going around in the community. And if I didn't, I think I would feel really disconnected because we don't, you know, go to our neighbors and we're here out here. We tend to just mind our own business unless you have, you need something or you see something going on with your neighbor and you walk over and you say, Hey, what's going on? Can I help you out? And then you, Then you develop a relationship. So if there's a problem here, I know there's a bunch of neighbors around me that I could communicate with or help. But generally, we're not very close. And the elderly are not on social media. So they don't have a connection with the local community. The only connection they might have is the township office. And that's not really how it's supposed to go. Like in my township, they collect... They have some kind of senior program for food. They have apples that get donated. So every Monday or whenever they're begging people, if you're over sixty five, you can come and get your apples, come and get a free bag of food, come and play bingo or whatever. And I'm like, they never do anything for young people. Well, they do occasionally, but it seems rare. And. They don't have anything for middle-aged people. I put it that way. Occasionally for the kids and lots for the seniors. But that's the social connection. But they don't go to the neighbor's house and say, hey, do you know anybody who can shovel my driveway? If they're on Facebook... That connection allows them to say they can make a simple post while they're sitting in their recliner and say, I need help with such and such. The answer will be there within hours. Because there are people who are very happy to help somebody in need. Or they'll say, hey, I've got this thing. I don't need it anymore. I don't really care if I sell it. I want it to go to somebody who's going to use it. And that shows up occasionally. And within hours, they found a good home for whatever it is. Or In this area, the lost dogs are a thing. My dog ran off or this dog has been in my yard for three days in a row and you need to keep your dog at home. Instead of walking around the neighborhood and saying, hey, do you have a black and white dog or do you have this or that dog? You need to keep them up. They post it to the whole township knows everybody's business. But if you're not connected socially on social media, nowadays you kind of miss out. And these people that need help are not getting it because they're not connected to the people around them. So that's another, you know, we talk all the time about checking in with your neighbor, right? Yeah, especially if you know elderly, like I know a lady, I was talking about her last night, like, ninety-four years old, and she's pretty capable of, you know, she totters, but she gets around, she still handles her garden in the summertime, but the ice is scary for her. Thankfully, her son lives right next door, and he comes and plows and shovels, and And checks in on her and makes sure her heat's running and all those things. And they bring her dinner sometimes. So she's taken care of. But if she didn't have that, if she didn't have caretakers coming in on a regular basis to help her out, boy, she'd be in a world of hurt. And I sure would hope that if her son didn't live right next door, he'd be asking other neighbors to check in on her. Yeah, that's the key to that whole thing is, is knowing the people around you, not, you know, valuing those people that are close to you instead of looking at the world, the big bad world and trying to, you know, make all those connections and not having any around you. You know, that's important, you know, to find real friends. And I think I would think that even just the neighbors I have a bare acquaintance with, if I said, Hey, my Christmas plans fell through. I'm going to be alone. Would you mind if I come over and join you for Christmas? I imagine most of them would say yes, just because they're generally good people and for no other reason. Because if they're celebrating with their family, why wouldn't they bring somebody else in? That's why I suggest that. I haven't really thought about that because I have my husband. We don't do the Christmas thing. We don't have kids. We don't have Christmas. I like the lights because I think they're pretty. I used to have a string of them up all year round over a window and just turn them on from time to time just because I thought they were pretty, not because I needed a tree in my house. I think that's weird. a tree in your house. Like it's like, it's like having a deer head on the wall. I'm like, do I get it? And on the other hand, I don't get it. Like I was telling you last night that there, there are taxidermists that make stuffed toy stuffed animals into like a plushie type toy or with limbs that you can, you can shape it to look like you're, Your wolf or your coyote or your fox that you trapped and shot. It can look like a pet dog on your couch. You can pose it like it's being playful or like it's staring at you or whatever. And I just think that's weird. And here I'm the person that I used to clean our own rabbit skulls and paint them. To make an artistic thing. That's a little weird, but that's okay. It is weird. But I recognize that. But I didn't put it on my wall as like a decoration. I'm kind of like the painting rocks thing. You know, that's kind of interesting. You haven't seen my painted rocks, have you? No, I haven't. Because nobody knows the degree of an artist you are. I have to send you some pictures of my painted rock. I used to do it. I got into it for a little while, and I did some really cool painted rocks. Now, this year, because I have so many hydrangeas, I was trying to figure out how to label them so I remember which one was which. Because I have so many, and sometimes the names of them flies out the brain. And... I know what they are. But on the other hand, there are times where I have to sit there and go, what is the name of that plant? So I looked. Well, you can buy tags of various kinds. But why would you do that when you can paint a rock? I can see why you do that. You can go down to I went to Hobby Lobby and I got a couple of bottles of paint and I got a new paint marker, even though I already had at least one. And. I like the pink. I have a pastel pink, and I like those better than the white rocks I made. So I painted them pink, and I wrote the name with a paint marker, and then I used a sealant, a clear sealant, so that it would weather better. And I put those underneath where it's going to be on the shady side of it so the sun won't hopefully wear down. We'll see next spring how these rocks handle the winter weather. but then i don't have to i don't have to crawl under the plant to grab the tag that's somewhere in it you know hanging on it or redo the tags every year because they've been weathered it's a good idea are you are you thinking about your garden already for this coming year occasionally i think about what i want to do in the pots because we got the deck built this year um and i decorated that with some deck pots and some big containers in front of it and i learned more about what i like and what i don't like to use so i like for the deck pots i like uh Silver Falls is a variety of a plant. I can't remember what the species is offhand. Dichondra, maybe? Anyway, you know what eucalyptus is like? They have that silvery green kind of color. It's like that, but it's like an ivy with little leaves. And it will grow and grow and grow, and it will fall out the side of the plant pot. And so as a deck, when you have an elevated deck, that cascading down is kind of pretty. And then I had some pink guara. It's like Laura, but with a G. And it has a spray of little pink flowers on long, wispy stems that it's like a butterfly flower. I had that in the middle and I had pink and white supertunias or mini vistas. Maybe it was mini vistas. I like those waves too. They're cool. Yeah, these are tinier. And so they just, I think it was mini vistas or supertunias because they just took over. And that color combination was really, really pretty. Okay, so this is funny. I really got to say this. This is really funny. This is the difference in the way that we think, right? You're thinking about planting all these beautiful flowers, and I'm thinking about how do I put a dragonfly up A fake dragonfly on a wire and attached it to the horse's halter to keep the flies away. Uh-huh. Well, it works in the plants, I hear, and I know people put it on their hats. Yeah, I learned that just recently that a lot of people are learning that to use the fake predator of a fake dragonfly on a wire above your horse's head, and it will keep all the deer flies and the flies off of them. So you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do that. I might even get some clips and put it in their manes and their tails and see if they, A, survive, and B, if they actually rise away. First time they roll in the dirt, it's gone. That thing is toast. And then, you know, the other thing that they're going to do because they like to play halter tag, they're going to go try to bite it off the other one. Oh, yeah. Just because they're savages. Yeah. So you'd have to come up with something that's either really resilient or really cheap. Hopefully it doesn't perforate an intestine. So you might have to make it out of something that's quasi-edible. I don't know. We'll have to see. I was talking to somebody recently. They just got a puppy, a twelve week old puppy. And it's a it's a gator. You know, it's got it's very mouthy and they have a little kid and a kid is not reacting well to it. So they're trying to balance training a child and training puppy at the same time. And mine was a baby shark, one of mine when she was little. The other one never was never that way. And some of the shepherd type dogs, all of them are very mouthy sometimes. So it depends on the breeding. I think it's a genetic quality. You don't know what you're doing. You're going to have to deal with a mouthy puppy and some people can't tolerate it. And some people just work through it and it takes time and you're patient. And so they were talking about the potty training being an issue. So I used to have handouts on this. I taught about it all the time. So I gave her a bunch of tips and, And one of them was you go to the hardware store or to like family farm and home or tractor supply and you get you a length of paracord. And you get a couple of tiny hooks and you hook one end to each of those hooks. One of them goes either around your waist or to your belt loop. And the other one goes on the puppy. And if you have it short enough... Or just, you know, six foot is a good length in the house. No matter what you do, the puppy is either going to be laying, falling asleep at your feet or moving away from you when you move around, which is good. That teaches yielding. That's a good concept for puppies too. But if the puppy starts to change its behavior to that, you know, the poop waddle or the spinning kind of thing that it does, you're going to see it. Because it's tied to you, you're more likely to see it and catch it before it becomes a disaster that you have to clean up. You can interrupt it and take that puppy outside. But meanwhile, that puppy that wants to chew on everything is going to chew on that line. So you can teach the puppy to respect a leash while you're also not too worried about, well, what if it destroys my leash? You go to the pet store and try to buy a new leash every week. You're not going to like the cost of that. But if you buy a length of paracord, which you can buy off the roll. Or you can buy a whole package of it. You just cut it and tie a new one. And you start over. A puppy is going to destroy something. But then as it matures, then you can let it drag. And then it's called a house lion instead of a tether. And with this one that I'm looking at right now, when she was a puppy, I had a puppy harness on her. And she had a long length of it. I'm trying to read at the same time. Yeah, Al came on. Interesting. My wife and I listened this morning. I'm used to the sound of two female voices in the morning. Our nurses would be caring for Mark, so my wife, and they would be chatting. Mark is gone now with Jesus. I'm so sorry. So it's actually comforting to listen for me. Oh, that's so nice, Al. We'll keep you in our prayers because this is what I was talking about. There are so many people that have reached out to me and said they were wondering where I was the last two weeks and why I didn't have a show. And I'm just going to tell you it's because I was buried in research and researching cases, the law. um, and that sort of thing. I felt like if I'm going to be in this fight, this legal fight that I need to know, I need to really immerse myself in this. And I decided we were talking yesterday, Karen and I, when I said, you know, I'm going to get on tomorrow morning and try to be here just because I really did. That's exactly what I thought. There's a lot of people that reach out to me and say, it's just the normalcy of coming on and listening to you guys talk sometimes about something and sometimes that I'm interested, sometimes not. Um, but the familiarity of seeing things that don't really change, I think is really comforting to a lot of people. And that's, that's honestly, besides the, all the stuff I learned from everybody. I mean, this really is my education of, uh, my ongoing continuing education of talking to people who know things I don't know. And I think that that's, uh, uh, A wonderful, wonderful thing. Well, I'm glad that it's comforting. Just, you know, that's what I always wanted this to be was just like sitting down and having coffee with a friend. And whether it goes in one direction or another doesn't really matter. And I'm hoping that God directs the conversation and the topics we talk about so that. the person or people that he wants to reach. And I don't know who every, you know, I don't know who, who that would be. Only God knows that they, that they would be here, something that would be comforting or blessing. So that was really nice that you said that, Al, that's a great encouragement. to me too, that this was the right decision to coming on this morning. Cause I was half thinking of getting, getting into the research part of it. And I thought, you know what, I'm just going to be there just in case, case, uh, you know, somebody just needs to hear, hear a little bit of crazy normalcy. Maybe it's not normal. We just don't know it, but you know, just, just to hear people that just talk, you know, um, It used to be that in every small town, I think they're still there. People would show up at the coffee shop and just sit around and talk about something, nothing, local news, whatever. And there was, there was a continuation of life and actually knowing people. And Karen, Karen will tell you this. I'm, I, I don't really change. I'm, I'm the same person here that you'll talk to. If you meet me in person, if you don't know me personally, I really don't change. And, um, it, it's, uh, I don't, I don't put on a mask or a face for anyone. And if somebody doesn't like it, okay, fine. Find somebody you like better. I don't really care because I don't, I'm not going to morph into a chameleon just to make people happy. I don't think that that's a, that's not something that I'm willing to do. And so, And Karen's the same way. We're just the same everyday kind of people and doing our thing, you know? So that's awesome. And I think we're going to be back on Wednesday. Last year, when we... It was Ralph and I got on a show. We were talking about that yesterday and how significant that show was for both of us that we literally looked at each other afterwards and said, you know what? If this was the last show that I ever did, I would be okay with it because it really was a show that talked about the real meaning of Christmas and Jesus Christ and And what really happened that most people never hear that story anymore. It's a very, I don't even know how to say it. It's a very curated story. thought of of jesus and you know people hear me talk about gentile jesus on with a lamb on his foot kind of nonsense which i'm kind of done with because he was a provocateur he brought the fight to go after the religious money changers and the people that use god's name for for self-enrichment and for profit And where he was born, it wasn't in this wood barn with a wooden crash. No, he was born in a cave. They didn't have a lot of wood there. So the misconceptions and the historical context is missing and it loses the richness of what was actually done. I think that that's something we're going to do on Wednesday. We talked about it last night, Karen and Ralph and I did. And I think that's what we're going to do on Wednesday. We're going to come on and we're going to talk about Christmas and family and how to cope when things go wrong or when you have to face hard realities of things that don't meet up to your expectation during the holidays and how to cope with loss. I had somebody that reached out and said, it's the first year without my dad and said, I'm really struggling with this. And I'm like, I understand that's a very hard thing for a lot of people. Both my parents are gone. And how you deal with grief and loss and the holidays and when things don't meet up to your expectations, how you sidestep that. and make it a frame of mind that things in the material world don't throw you and you can walk right through anything and it really doesn't affect you. There's a way to do that. There really is. And I think we're going to talk about that and the significance of what Christmas is really all about. It's not about the gifts that we give. It's not about fulfilling everybody's dreams and needs every time they turn around. It's helping people who have lost hearts and feel so alone that they're not coping. There are a lot of people that I know right now that are having a problem with substance abuse. One person, individual that comes to mind that really is having a struggle, having a struggle in and out of jail, etc. And I don't hold it against people because life sucks for a lot of people. It really does. It's tough, but life has to be lived. And when it gets rough for people, you're going to find out who your real friends are and the richness of reality is going to come through in those times. And that's not a And that's not something to shy away from. It's something to run right into that fire and let's figure out what's real and what's fake and eliminate those things that are fake from our life and go to the truth. And Jesus said it, the truth will set you free. You know, the reality of heaven, of hell, of being alone, of what is, of what is, oh, Ryan just came on and said, amen, Donna, this is a very good friend of mine. And I just want to say, Merry Christmas. I love you intensely. You're an incredible human being. He does a podcast. I've been on it a few times, Fiercely Vulnerable. Great, great podcast. I'm going to tell you because Ryan is real. He doesn't change and he's real. He tells the stories of loss and losing his wife and what life is about and overcoming those challenges, not expecting life to be perfect. It's never going to be perfect here. Not until Jesus comes back and sets his foot on this earth is it going to be perfect. So how do we heal or how do we deal with those things that I'm going to tell you God puts in our lives in order to teach us things that we would never, ever learn without the rough spots that we go through. And he takes those things and he turns it into something really beautiful. I could talk about that for a very long time. Karen, you can vouch for this about my resiliency when things literally go to hell, right? You've seen it. And I'll take a few minutes and have my little pity party and just... You know, mad at everything. And just just because I hate evil so much that it's like, why don't people make better choices instead of taking something and making it worse? Right. Why is it that people can't stop competing with each other and being there with a heart of service instead of looking for something transactional? Approval, like, love, monetary, time, whatever it may be. And just give and say, you know, I do life because of God and I don't expect anything in return. Zero. Nada. and how you move yourself into that realm so that you're not blown around. I mean, Jesus talks about it, talks about it in the Bible. It's an instruction manual, right? And not being blown around by like a leaf in the strong winds. The stronger you get, the less likely you are to be blown around by your circumstances. And the more you really are in control of responding instead of reacting, looking at things that are not ideal and saying, okay, yeah, this sucks. Do I like it? Not in the least do I like what I see out there, but it doesn't mean I'm going to run away from it. I'm going to respond to this and make the changes that need to be made for the good of mankind and And for the good of God's world, you know, we're here. He lets us participate. He doesn't need us to do anything. So why does he put us into difficult situations? He's teaching us. It's like boot camp. You're going to run. And it's going to be boot camp until the day we die. And so we have to get better at handling things that we don't agree with or like. So Christmas, we're going to talk about this on Wednesday on dealing with people that are difficult, especially during the holidays. And you know what? You know what one of the best things is, is learning to just listen and not react. Don't have to agree with people in your family. You're not one in the same person. And let them let them off their stress, because a lot of the times the talking is just letting stress off as a conflict mediator, which I do a lot of. Most of the time people just want to be heard. And oh yeah, you know, that, that sounds like that really sucks. You know, that's, that sounds like a difficult situation. That's all the responses. And all of a sudden you'll watch the stress melt off of them. You're not telling them you're wrong. You're not telling, well, I did this and I'm better than you because of that. It's like, wow, that sounds like it's difficult. I think from time to time of the patience of Jesus, because he was with these men who loved him dearly and trusted him immensely. He knew he was going to die. It was not a secret. But they didn't know. They didn't know what was going to happen next, even though he tried to kind of tell them. And he's like, yeah. You guys are going to be really confused about this when it happens. But, you know, to himself, I don't think he told him this. But I'm thinking, you know, he knows he's sitting at the table with the guy who who's betraying him in his mind, if not already, you know, making have made the deal. He was definitely doing it in his mind. He knew it and he let them sit, let him sit and eat at the table and he told him right to his face. Yeah, you're going to betray me. And then he comes back and he's like, Peter, do you love me? I think I told you about this recently because I don't know. I talked to somebody about it. The way he said love, there's two forms of that word in that questioning. And I think the reason why he changed it the third time is because he wanted Peter to recognize Jesus loved him despite the betrayal that Peter made. When he said he didn't know, I don't know that Jesus guy, he's trying to kind of cover his own neck. And I think Jesus needed Peter to see that Jesus had forgiven him. Peter needed to forgive himself. But throughout all of this, Jesus is so patient with his followers. And he, he's just, he knows you're going to get this in time. And I think that's really important where you and I, I think we're both above average IQ and it could be really frustrating. It could be really frustrating to see other people not getting it still. You're like, are you seriously, you're still wearing a mask. You know, but I know people get angry about stuff like that. And they want to tell people off. And there's a part of me that sometimes I want to get loud and just say, why are you doing this? But when I'm wearing Jesus, it's easier for me to say, okay, they're just not ready for it yet. I have to be patient with the fact that it's a fact. They may never get it. They may never understand. They may never do what they need to do to get closer to God. It's on them. You can be patient and make yourself available and try to teach them what they need to know. But it may be that they can't be saved in an earthly way or a spiritual way. It may be that there's not a help that you can do. It may be that they can't understand what you understand in the way that you can understand it. But that's okay. And that comes from Jesus. Jesus is teaching us all the time stuff like this. If you read the scripture, I think he has an immense patience and patience. And that's why I can look at you and I know that you're angry with yourself or somebody else. And I've been there. I know what that's like. Yeah, you disappoint yourself and you go, okay, I'm better than this. Okay, be patient. To just like get over it and then get up and go, okay, lesson learned. We're going to move on from this now and not sit and spin on it, you know. And the other thing is that people are really good at lying. Now, that's something that a lot of people are really uncomfortable with somebody saying this, right? But people are really, really good at lying. Everybody has a potential to lie. And one of the most normal things for people to lie about is they don't really want to look vulnerable in front of other people. Okay. Friend Ryan, he's out there. He has no problem with that. You know, that's this podcast and which is, which is a, is a true strength is to be able to show that, that yeah, things, you know, things aren't always easy. You know, things are not always easy or, or what they, and people, people see that as a weakness a lot of times, but it's true strength. But we don't know what people hold in their hearts that they are so ashamed of that they don't want anybody to know about them. It's too painful to even talk about. And so they do a lot of coping in order to hide their most, their most painful secrets in life. And that, that, that is pretty much across the board. And you know what, you go back to how do we handle those situations when somebody's failed or, And they know they failed. What do you do? Well, you know what? The Bible's got some pretty clear instructions. And I'm going to go back around to those gals that were absolutely soullessly gossiping in the Bigby Coffee that I literally left. And I won't go sit in there and listen to that nonsense ever again. I'm done with it. I'm not going to sit there And listening to a bunch of people who are probably have never even lived outside of their parents' homes or had responsibility for anything, talking about slapping their moms and having the right to do such. And they're justified in such. I was like, I am so done with this. It's like, this would have been one of my kids. Oh man, I hate to tell you where this is going to go. And it wouldn't have been good. Okay. And it's like, you even thought about saying that? Yeah. Yeah, this ain't happening. Anyhow, you know, talking, you know, this whole gossip, let's go back to the Bible because we've got an epidemic of it. It's an epidemic of keeping our mouths shut and having the grace to look at things for what they are and say, huh. There's a lot of pain that person is holding instead of knocking them down further. And also discernment. It starts with discernment. Are you talking to someone who's a real threat that is out to damage or hurt other people for their own gain? Okay. There's a difference between a bad guy, somebody who's intentionally hurting other people and is kind of got a psychopath mindset. I'll call them out. I'll tell them they're a psychopath. Okay. When somebody hurts other people, you've seen me do it publicly. And this is this is a psychopath mindset because you have no empathy, nor do you care that you're hurting someone else because it's all about themselves. Right. Instead of serving and caring about people. And there's a real problem with that. The other part is pretty much the rest of humanity, which is some very imperfect people. We're all imperfect. We're sinners. We were born into it. It wasn't really our fault. It was not our fault. We were born into this. God gave us free will. It started generations and generations ago with the disobedience in the garden. We were born into this. It's how we were born into it. Okay. And when you look around at other people who are good at lying, very, very good at lying, people have different things that they're willing to lie over. And everybody has a different threshold. Some people will lie over a five dollar bill. Some people will lie over. I never said that when they did say it. Or some people will get to the point of ten thousand dollars. They'll lie over that. Some people will be a hundred thousand. Some people will be a million. Some people will be a hundred million. And some people won't lie for any reason whatsoever, but it's very, it's probably one in a billion. Okay. And some people will lie if it comes down to having, having people that they care about hurt, but there are people that won't lie for, for any reason whatsoever, but most of the people aren't in that category. And it's usually based on, on things they've done or things that are too painful that they'll never verbalize, right? So when you look at the Bible and see what God says, you know, go back to Noah laying in his tent naked. And you look at his sons that came in and saw him laying in his tent, drunk on his tail and naked. And Ham went out and told everybody, oh man, look at what dad did. He's over there. And he tore him down. He tore him down and exposed him in his failings, because nobody's perfect, to everyone to laugh at, to make fun of, and now to give a target because people are like sharks. Blood in the water, they're going to go for that blood. And if somebody's down, guaranteed, ninety percent of the people, maybe more, are going to go in there to try to knock that person down further. instead of zip it, right? The two sons that loved him walked in backwards into Noah's tent with a blanket and wouldn't even look on his nakedness and covered them up and walked out and said not a word. They were silent. They said nothing. And when we look at it, what did Jesus do? Jesus covers our sins and says that they are put away from us as far as the east is from the west. It will not be remembered anymore once we take the gift of Jesus Christ of getting rid of our sins. He gets rid of them and he doesn't remember them. He doesn't look at everything bad about us. He looks at what he loves. And when we can look at other people around us, get past those things that are very human and the things that are driven by pain and fear and survival and being alone in a very hostile world, all of a sudden you'll see things about people that you just love about them and take them from what they are because we're all a work in progress. And that's when we cover those things. We talk about them no more. unless it's privately and say, hey, I care about you. And I'm saying this because I care about you, not because I want to change you, but because you're doing something that ultimately is going to end up in a heap of hurt for you. I'm going to love you one way or the other, but it hurts me to see you do things that are self-destructive. And that's the only reason why anyone should talk to another person is because it's for their good, not because they annoy us. That's not a good reason to ask somebody to change. And so, you know, And that's how to approach it, is to say, I love you so much that I don't want to see anything bad happen to you. And on this path that you're on, I see the hurt in your eyes and in your heart. I see that hurt. I'd probably feel the same way if I walked in your shoes. I haven't. But I'm here to walk with you because I love you. And I'm going to love you whether you do anything different or not. I'm still going to love you because of all these things that are good about you. And watch people melt when you start doing that, when they really feel that they're not alone and they have somebody that loves them, not because it's their best day, not because they smile when things go completely to hell. And they do, okay? Sometimes things just go wrong. And it's great when somebody can smile through it and move through it with ease, but it's not really realistic, okay? You know, there are some people that can make things look really easy when it's difficult and are able to walk through them without missing a beat. Usually it's people that walk with God because they're not affected by the world. They are affected by the spirit of God, but that's few and far between. But that ability to knock people down and make fun of them when they're struggling is and label them as a loser or put labels on people. That is wrong. And I'm going to tell you, that's what the Bible is talking about with gossip. You are literally killing a soul when you can't hold your peace. I think it's easier to help somebody else through a moment than it is to yourself. And um i'm like you in that sometimes i get so mad at myself i can't let it go for a while and that that comes from the insecure nature that i grew up with all that moving around that i did ended up resulting in me being bullied i was smarter than all the other kids in my class i was smaller than all the other kids in my class i was poorer than a lot of the kids in my class and those elements made sure that i was on the bottom rank socially in my class and that that was tough and so i still even now deal with that as an adult where I have to evaluate social situations and go, did I do something wrong? Did I hurt somebody that I didn't intend to hurt? And because I have done that before without a clue that it happened. Because I said something and somebody took it the wrong way and then they hurt and I didn't know until later. And so those kind of things, I'm constantly evaluating myself and being hard on myself and I don't let it go really easily. But it's easier for me to tell somebody else, you need to let that go because... It doesn't help you. God has already forgiven you. Or the circumstance, even if you didn't do anything wrong to deserve forgiveness, you have to forgive yourself. And that's sometimes harder to do than it is to forgive somebody else. It's like, okay, because I made a mistake. Or I did something that hurt somebody else, whether intentional or not. Or I didn't live up to my own expectations. Well, you still have to let that go. And when you keep in mind that Jesus didn't let it all go, that's what he died for, then it's a lot easier to to do that for yourself when you keep that in mind and you can still process it and go okay well i don't want to do that again what do i have to do to learn from this experience and move forward while you're doing that you're going to process some emotions i'm very emotional And so I process everything, but I think I do it as I learn about myself, I'm more easily capable of getting through it faster or better because I'm constantly in a self-evaluation status, you know? And so that, I think that's helpful in my life because when you're evaluating where you are and where you want to be, how do you get there? You can process things that come into your path or things that don't go the way you want them to go a little bit easier. You can't control everything. That's really what it's all about, isn't it? Is control. We don't control anything. We do not control anything. That's an illusion. OK, it's how you respond to the world. I mean, look at look at we can't control the weather. maybe DARPA can, but you know, it's like, it's like, but we can't, we can't control other people's reactions. We can't control how they view our words because they see it in how they think. Like if somebody says something that's that, um, that they accuse you of something, I love it. I love this whole psychological thing and, and, um, understanding how, um, Typically, people, human beings work because we're all pretty similar, right? When somebody accuses you of something, which quite often happens during the holiday, and they want to knock you down in front of other people, there's only two reasons why they're doing it. They literally just showed their poker hand on how they think and what they would do in the same situation. They're not making a comment about you. They literally just told you what they would do in that same situation. And that's an amazing realization once you get that one figured out. Or what they think they should do. It's the way they think. You know, well, you did this. Well, no, I didn't do that. But you just told me in that situation that somebody either did that to you at some point in time or that's how you think. And this is what you would have done. Nine times out of ten, they're telling you what they would have done in that same situation. Because that's right where their mind went to. so don't let it don't let it get to your heart at all because it made no comment on you whatsoever and that's an important thing to realize yeah it used to be more hurtful you know sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me well i was one of those kids that got named called a lot and they did hurt but um i think i'm a more easy To handle when somebody tries to offend because I've learned more about my own integrity and to trust that and to weigh it better. I know, and I knew this as a child, but I remember that there was a day when I was like eighth or ninth grade, I think eighth grade. Suddenly one day I was asking myself, what is your problem? You are a smart person. You're a kind person. Why do you care what all these other people are saying about you? Why do you even care? Why give it any credence? I walked into the school. with a different energy. And the difference was so noticeable to me immediately. And now I liken it to like when you watch a program like National Geographic, for example, and you see the antelopes that are Like, pronking in front of the lions, like, I'm fit. You don't need to chase me. I'll run away. Versus the animals that are kind of trying to hide and slink away because they know they're not a hundred percent. And they instantly make themselves more vulnerable because the predator is going to notice that behavior. And they notice it immediately. The energy level is different. Suddenly I had people saying hi to me that would never acknowledge my presence and they meant it. Other people were more patient with me than ever before or kind to me. And the people that would bully me ignored me and moved on to somebody else. And that was sad. That was a little hard for me to take because I was grateful they moved on to somebody else, but I felt bad for that other person that became their, their next priority victim, you know? So that's, but I, I learned from that experience that if it, you know what, just hold your head high. You're a good person. Who cares what those people say about you? And when you have that kind of patience, because I know Jesus cares about me. What else do I care about with these other people? You know, I don't, But I do. I still internalize it. So this is, you know, talking about keeping it real and and recognizing your vulnerabilities. That's who I am. I can be hurt by other people's words, but I bounce back better than I used to. And I don't retain it as long. I don't take that negative energy. So it's easier for me to then see it in somebody else and say to them the same thing that they needed to hear within themselves. Why do you care what those other people are saying? Because it's not you. You are not that bad person that they're pretending you are. What they're doing is telling you that in the patience of Jesus... They are being weak right now. They're not who they need to be. They're judging themselves and I feel bad for them. I feel sad for the negativity that that person is living with in their life. Instead of being angry with them and wanting to call them a name back, you just realize that there must be something wrong in their life that they're not in the place where they should be. Even if you don't feel like you're in the place you should be, we're all in the same pathway. If, if we want to be, I know where I want to be when I die. And I would rather that people think of me as still living because they know that I am, I may not be here on earth, but, But I'll be living somewhere else. You can speak of me in the present tense because I'm on that path right now. And I hope to get there. And so if I see other people that are just kind of going the opposite direction, I'm like, hey, get back on that yellow brick road, guys. You're going the wrong way. Yep. You know, and, and true strength is something that you gain over time and it's, it's earned. It doesn't come through things going right. It's by going through things that are a hard slog. And I, you know, I, it never comes easily. It's not, it's not necessarily a gift. It's, it may be a predisposition, but you're going to earn it and you're going to earn the, you're going to earn the, The stability and the strength in certain things in life, they just don't come by. I'm really friends with somebody who hasn't gone through some major stuff in their life. And you know what? Most people have gone through it, but they won't say it. And so they won't be real about it. And it's like, you know what? I don't really, I don't live in the, in the plastic world. I just don't. And I'd rather live in the real world and have somebody come and say, I'm a mess. And I'd say, let's sit down and let's just sit here for a while. What's going on? You know? And instead of, Hey, how you doing? Is this such a great day? And you're like, I don't know what kind of MK alter crap you've swallowed here, drugs you're on or something, but it seems a little not real. Get off me. Yeah. You know, just like, let's be real about something. You know, I shovel horse shit. I'm not into this sort of thing. You know, and I see that in a lot of events, too. We went to the this is another thing about Christmas. OK, we're going to talk about Christmas stuff and how to cope. We went to the downtown Christmas market in Grand Rapids this weekend, walked around. And what I saw there was the same thing that I saw going to Disney World years and years ago. Once I found out how demonic stuff was, I was like, yeah, I'm kind of done with that. You know, different types. Right. I was going to say, what you thought the GOP? The GOP, the staff GOP, the whole thing, you know, it's like, I'm sorry, you're, you are swimming in a fake pond. You're not going to change anything in, in jumping into their programming. Anyhow, we were down at the market, and it's lovely. They've got lights, and it's kind of cool shops, and you can get stuff to eat. I'm not a fan of the, I think it's called the recollets. The stinkiest cheese in your life. It is absolutely disgusting. I can't even walk past it. And one of my sons is like, I'm so done with this. He won't even walk down there because it smells so bad. And I'm like, people eat this stuff. This is unbelievable, right? I can't even stand the smell of it. But anyhow, we went down there and had a nice time. It was nice because, you know, the group of us were pretty irreverent about things and very real and had a great time. But what I noticed is nobody's smiling down there. And people will go in ones or twos, but nobody's smiling. Nobody's having a good time. They're walking around, something to do. And it brought me back to thinking about, isn't this odd? You know, we used to go to church and we used to know the people around us in small communities, not the big mega churches so much, but people had a good time and they missed you if you didn't show up. And it was, you know, we'd share a meal. We would sing and just spend time together being pleasant and enjoying what we were celebrating was something much greater than us. It wasn't standing in line and making sure that you have the right thing and you seem doing the right thing and wearing the right thing and that sort of thing. It was just really being yourself because people saw you when you came out of the field working. They knew what you worked, what you did on a daily basis. They saw what you weren't, and they were okay with it anyway. They saw you in a very real light. And it really got me thinking yesterday about how to create those environments with real people who are just glad to see you just for being you. you know, at your best and at your worst. And it was, it was interesting. And, and, and so I'm, I'm really pondering that this week on how to make sure that the people around me know that, that, you know, that I'm just glad to see them and how we can create an environment going forward. I had this moment last night, you know, speaking of evaluating my day, there was a moment I'm not super proud of. I thought I was in a good mood and I was trying to bring a more positive light to someone who was not in a place, but I may have offended him inadvertently. And it was this man who was part of the losing hockey team. I reached out. I mean, this was just instinctive. It was just in the moment. I was on a high. I reached over and patted him on the shoulder and I said, it'll be okay. And I suspect later. He might not have received it in the way it was intended. Because he was surrounded by people who were the fans of the opposite team. I don't care. I don't care about any team. So it made no difference to me whatsoever. But he doesn't know that. So I'm like, it'll be okay. I don't think it helped anything. And I felt bad about it because I, you know, so at the end of the day, I'm like, this is the one thing that I did today that maybe was not a good thing. And I felt bad about it. Shame, shame on you, Karen. No, I don't mean that at all. It's just being, it's just being human, you know, and people take things out of context because they're, and they're telling you how they think. Okay. It has nothing to do with you. So don't take people's craziness in and let it ruin your holiday, you know? Oh, no, no. You can ruin your holiday, but no one else has got the right to ruin your holidays. No. Why would you ruin your own holiday, though? That would be kind of crazy, you know? No, and I will. I'm not going that far. I just, like, I'm laughing about it right now. I'm saying that, like, to the big we out there. Why would a person ruin their own holiday? Yeah. I didn't feel bad about the guy just in general, because you could tell it meant something to him. How, how his team, how things went. And I wasn't even really paying attention to the game. I don't know anything about, but he obviously did. He was there for business and he was not having a good business day. I was just like, you know, like, man, I was being like Will Ferrell is the elf. No sugar. There is no sugar today for this guy. You could have really gone full on Brandenburg on him and said, man, you guys really sucked. I wouldn't have said that. So if somebody knows that guy, tell him I'm sorry. I didn't mean anything negative by it. I was trying to let my positive energy rub off on him, and it didn't work. He's like, who's this very tiny person that's trying to tell me it's going to be all right? Looking back on it... He was surrounded by people who were really cheerful. But in his mind, it had more to do with the game than the friendship and, you know, having a good time together. And so he felt probably kind of. What's the word? Overwhelmed is not the word I'm looking for. You know, he outnumbered. That's the word I'm looking for. Starts with an O. He was probably feeling outnumbered. He definitely was. I mean, he was definitely outnumbered, but maybe that's why I did it because you're in good company. It's going to be okay. We're not going to hurt you. It's going to be okay. He was pretty sad. I'll give you that. He was really sad. It was a nose dive and he wasn't coming on. I don't think you could have even given him a cookie and he would have felt better. No, and you know, again, I can come away kind of laughing at what might be a social faux pas on my part, because I do that sometimes, but... if he took it the wrong way and he was, he's going to invest the sadness in the rest of his night instead of objectively going, well, what can we learn about this? And this is the shame. It's a sport, dude. You know, Move on. But maybe that means a salary. Maybe he's going to lose his job. I don't know. So it might mean something more than just, oh, we lost the game and he's being a little child. But I don't know. But he he didn't seem and maybe, you know, like other everybody has a bad day. Maybe at the end of the night, he's OK. I hope he is, because if he drags that same energy into Christmas, it's going to be bad for him. And I feel sorry for him. It's just a sport. Now, if his livelihood depends on the success of that sport, then it would be more meaningful, I'm sure. But still, I mean, otherwise, why? Of course, this is a thing like why? I don't know why anybody would invest themselves in the business of the sport. Because I just don't see the value to the world in that, you know. No, if you're going to invest yourself in something, why do it in something that's fake? Something that's for show, something that's solely for entertainment. I would much rather. You got it. Uncomfortable truth there, Karen. I would much rather invest myself. I mean, well, of course, you know, as an artist, I would love to make money purely with art. But when I did it, I was making people art that was personalized to them, usually. Even when I give it away, as you know, when I give it away, it has meaning. I've got to bring something up here a minute that I'm going to be disgusted by, but finish up here a minute, and I've got something to chat. I've got to read. No, we all have choices to make. Yeah, okay. Love says, there's a cheese that the French eat that has live larvae in it. Oh, no. Okay. There we go. There we go. The hard truth and reality of life. Know what you're eating. Know the farmers around you. Because they're not going to feed you bugs, okay? They're going to be trying to get rid of the bugs. Corporations? Nope, nope, nope. Disgusting. By natural means. Yeah, by natural means. Okay. Well, we've gone way over what I thought I was going to be on this morning. I'm seeing, like, motion on the outside here. So that tells me that there's probably a caveman out there that needs to eat something. Yeah. And so anyhow, well, this is kind of fun talking about let's come back on Wednesday. And like I said, I we went over some some things last year, Ralph and I did on true meanings of Christmas and how we can shift this away from commerce. back into real meaning and things that bring people together in support and in love. And Jesus, God's looking at all of us every minute of our lives. It's not like we're being hidden on our best and our worst. He loves us anyway, but sometimes he's like, you guys. Okay. And how, how to be part of the solution instead of being blown around and really part of the problem when we're, when we're being blown around, take control of your emotions and, and, uh, Now let it get to you. You know, don't, don't sweat the, don't sweat the little things in life, you know, and realize that everybody is imperfect. We're, We're all of us imperfect. We don't have all the answers. We're trying to get through this thing called life on a path and just ask God to give you the feet to walk the path that he's got you on. He's in charge of it. Let's see how good you run the race here and how we all run the race. And it's a daily introspection. It's a daily going over how to be better. And it's always getting closer to God. That's always the answer. Always. You can't do it on your own. I can't. Karen can't. None of us can do this on our own. And the farther, there's only two ways you can go. You can go closer to God and that's usually in a good spot. When you move farther away from God and you don't give him time and move towards him, you lose your stability. You lose your plumb line. And after a while, you're going to have a hard time getting back. It's much, much easier to just say, okay, I give up. I surrender to you, God. What do you want me to do? All of it. And watch how much easier it life becomes and the stress goes away. And it's, it's amazing because you've got somebody who truly loves you as a friend who will walk with you through everything. And, you know, people who, who walk with God on the earth, and I do believe it's possible. They're going to be the ones that are going to accept you the way you are. They're not going to look for perfection because they know they're not either. And hopefully we can get this thing figured out together and it'll be a beautiful thing. So with that said, let's say, let's say a prayer. You want to pray today or you want me to pray? Oh, you go ahead. My dear Heavenly Father, thank you so much for giving us true friends, brothers and sisters in Christ and brothers and sisters that are going to be in you and that accept your salvation and will walk with you that are in the process of becoming. I'm thankful for every single person that you put in my path because I know they're there because you put them there. And we're here to help on this road that you've put us on. This is kind of an amazing little boot camp of things going right and things that just really aren't going so well to see what we're actually made of and whether we're going to rely on you to get us through this. And the teaching, how it teaches us to have faith, to walk with you, to listen to what you've told us. You've given us the instruction manual on how to lift. Are we listening? There's the question, I guess. But at any rate, we're thankful for everything you've done for us. There's so much to be grateful for. I'm grateful for Karen. I'm grateful for Ryan and Holly and Alan and all the wonderful people that are out there who really care about your world and walking and living in service to you and doing the right thing as best as we can. And we know that when we do fall, you forgive us and you pick us up. It's like, you know, having a whole bunch of two-year-olds that are learning to walk, we're not going to get it right, but we're going to learn. And every time we follow, you're going to be there to pick us up and to say, hey, you did okay, kind of not so good, but guess what? Get up and walk again. I believe in you and you're going to get it. And every time you forgive us and you teach us, we ask you to bless all those people who are really off base here today. I'm praying for people who have done the worst sins and the ones who have walked away from you that we really dislike. And I'm asking for you to touch them and turn people around to walk the way that you have you expect us to walk and that we learn along the way. We're thankful for the wonderful season you've given us, for the time for being together with people that are family and friends and such. And we ask you to give us the words to say, the grace and the peace to bring peace to any situation that we can even live in harmony with people that we consider our enemies. And I can't quote the exact verse, but a peaceful word brings peace even in the presence of our enemies. So give us that grace and wisdom and peace and love and to be your presence on this world. Show us what we need to do. Give us the tasks that you are asking us to do and give us the feet to walk the path that you lay before us, no matter how hard it is. We are willing to walk in the direction that you ask us to walk and do the things you ask us to do. We're here because we love you and we want to let you know that we do love you very much and that this is going to be a great season, season of change, season of transformation. And even the things that are difficult or that we say are bad, We know you're going to turn it into something good because we have faith in you, not in what we see, not in what we want, but faith in you, your character, your love, and your, your, uh, your great father. And we love you in Jesus name. We pray. Amen. Amen. There you go. So I guess that's where we go to that part of the show of boys and girls. We go to ding, ding, ding, go to brandenburgforgovernment.com. Actually don't go there because I don't even check that stuff anymore. but it is out there and you know where to find me a telegram and acts and such, but it's my vote for the world, right? Because I'm the best non-seater who has ever not exceeded in history of the United States of America. And I'm going to have a discussion with rightful president of the United States, president Donald J. Trump in cowboy boots. We're going to see who wears it better. It's going to be me because I wear them every day. Got to have the ones with a point tip too, because every once in a while, somebody needs a, you know, a correction course correction. I'm just saying that to be funny. Right. But at any rate, what's that you are funny you're being funny today yeah funny but it's really i think they've done a little video clip where trump's wearing a hat they gave him a cowboy hat to put on in the oval office for a moment yeah i saw that the cowboy boots yeah nice try let's get you on a horse and i want to see if you can you know put a boot up somebody's rear end if they need it too because i think there's a bunch of people there that need the boot okay i can name some names right off the bat but i think honestly we're looking at second string that was put in first as the the pawns to be sacrificed in this nation being set back on its on its feet but people are used to seeing their faces and guess what maybe they aren't what you thought they were have we gotten smarter yet you know and so but with that said uh i'll be back on tomorrow with with john and i think mike's gonna be on mike uh pro se mike he's got an interesting story because you know his dad was the one that went viral And they have been all over the news because people stepped up to support him. His wife died and he was working at Walmart. It was his dad. Ed is his dad. And so, you know, Mike and I have talked about it, but I think he's going to be on and talk about the loving, giving nature of Americans who see somebody who really, truly cares. needs to have everyone stand together with him. I think he set the record for the most amount of money that was donated to support him in the history of GoFundMe. Wow. Which is amazing. And I mean, I posted the story. I didn't even know it was Mike's dad. And I posted it. I'm like, this is heartbreaking. You know, it was a heartbreaking story. And guess what? People stepped up. And guess what? Taking back the United States of America, it's going to come down to, again, the people have to step up. And if you're out there, I'm telling you, you have to run for office. Come to USTPM.org or call me. I mean, everybody knows how to get ahold of me. You need to run for something because it's going to take us, the people who have not bowed to the satanic system. to step up and do the right thing to take care of our communities and the people we love. It's going to be us. Nobody's coming to help. It's going to be us, okay? Even if they cleaned it all out, who's going to be willing to do it? Put your hand up and say, send me, God. I'm willing. I'm willing. We need you. We need your help. It's going to be a great future standing together. And don't feel sad about it because we are the answer. And it's going to be fantastic. So with that said, God bless you all. God bless all those whom you love. And God bless America. Make it a great day. Should be Christmas every day. The gift of giving is the gift of yourself and helping the people around you and stepping up when there's a call. And so no matter what it is. So have a great day. And we'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for being on today, Karen. We're going to end this. And guess what? Karen and I are going to talk behind the scenes, which is all good stuff. It's all things on how to fix problems and supporting each other and saying, oh, we can do this or we can do this. Like a whole box of Legos that God threw out on the table in front of us. The world is like a box of Legos. What you going to build? What you going to do with the day that's been given to you? There's the there's the joy moving forward. So see you tomorrow. Have a great day.