Published June 3, 2026, 9:01 a.m.
9am Cognitive Carbon - Eric Tilton - Analysis of AI data centers. Data to be considered. All facts need to be considered. 10am John Ballance -John Ballance - We will be discussing a transfer of wealth to elites, risks to the dollar’s status, and threats to future generations, urging proactive solutions over reactive bailouts or unconstitutional measures, highlighting perceived media blackouts and political indifference. Note, John Ballance is not a Certified Financial Advisor. He is a normal guy with interests in this topic. Everything he will be discussing today is both researchable and formed opinion. Market strategies Plausible direction of US Financial reality Fed accountability Financial stability Congressional oversight Economic sovereignty Post the Silicone Valley Bank collapse John C. Ballance, a concerned constituent, wrote this follow-up letter to Sean Brady (Chief of Staff for Rep. Vern Buchanan, Vice chair of the Ways & Means Committee) expressing deep alarm over U.S. monetary policy, Federal Reserve actions, and lack of congressional oversight. Some of his research uncovered the following: - A 2019 Fed emergency repo loans ($4.5 trillion) that bailed out major U.S. and foreign banks (e.g., JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Barclays, BNP Paribas) without transparency or congressional involvement. - During the Biden Regime, the Federal Resrve carried an abnormally high Reverse Repo Facility usage (peaking at $2.55T). This represented hidden liquidity support propping up markets and banks amid rising debt and risks. John is critical of “self-regulated” banking/Wall Street, taxpayer-funded bailouts (including foreign entities), and investments like Sequoia Capital’s in China. John has been discussing how an impending liquidity crisis triggered by higher rates, program endings (e.g., Bank Term Funding), and Basel III, potentially leading to bank failures, Treasury bond rejection, or dollar collapse could possibly enable the Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC) under emergency pretexts. John Calls for fiscal responsibility: spending cuts, ending foreign aid (Ukraine, Israel), and greater congressional accountability. He urges everyone to prepare for economic shocks and criticizes politicians, including Buchanan, for inaction. John Ballance is just a normal Joe. He spent 30 years in Corporate America in progressing roles of responsibility, beginning in Sales and ending up in Corporate Finance and Trade Management. He helped National Brands at The Dial Corporation and Kimberly Clark spend their trade dollars efficiently. He invested well throughout his career and is now retired and spends a lot of his time trying to better understand our financial markets. He does not have any certifications in Financial Planning, however his in-depth analysis are part of the intrigue of the Financial markets. After he retired, he spent about six months trying to better understand the Federal Reserve. This helped guide him to where he is today. X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1YxNrreMWmbxw Rumble: https://rumble.com/v7ardxu-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-632026-cognitive-carbon-data-centers-and-finan.html https://rumble.com/v7ardus-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-632026-cognitive-carbon-data-centers-and-finan.html Odysee: https://odysee.com/@BrandenburgNewsNetwork:d/bnn-2026-06-03-cognitive-carbon-data-centers-and-financial-ballance:f BNN Live: https://Live.BrandenburgNewsNetwork.com Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Eric Tilton, John Ballance
Find that post you just did on there. Good morning and welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg. It's the third day of June, twenty twenty six. And welcome to our show today. So we're going to start out nine o'clock this morning with my friend, Eric Tilton, who is cognitive carbon. It's done a lot of writing and such. He's got a great background and wonderful to listen to. And we're going to do an analysis of data centers. And there's a lot of. propaganda and lying out there and that sort of thing. So I think it's worthy of looking at point and counterpoint to all of the stuff that's out there. Cause it don't believe anything. Okay. You have to get in and research it for yourself, ask a lot of questions and then see what's actually going on behind the scenes in, in you know, in AI and the data centers and everything. It doesn't matter what it is, candidates, politics, you know, I don't know. What's in your food? I mean, we got to question everything. So that's what we're going to be doing this morning at nine o'clock. At ten o'clock, John Balance is going to be in with Financial Balance and we're going to get an update on what's going on in the world across the globe and quite honestly, what the good guys are actually doing behind the scenes. So anyway, here we go. Morning, Eric. How you doing? Good morning. Doing all right. Everything good in Eric land? Yeah, getting off to a decent start today. Yeah. Well, that's good. I got up this morning and we're getting hay in again today. And Eric and Emily will be coming over today and and uh abby and we've got all of the people that are around us which is really fun we have a good time doing it and i think today's the last day for hey this is so early for us it's incredible so anyhow we're friends you know we have a lot of time to talk we work together and that sort of thing so it's all good and uh so anyhow we had this discussion yesterday on ai centers and it's My predisposed point on this is that I have some concerns. Let's just put it that way. I have some concerns. But I'm always open-minded to listen to different points of view on everything. Because... it's almost impossible to have a pure message in anything we look at just because people insert their lens into how they look at things, right? We all do it. It's a human condition. And so the only way to get closer to the truth is to be open-minded. Now, I have a lot of concerns for a lot of reasons, but we're going to, we're going to kind of go through actual fact analysis here today. And I think this is going to be very interesting for a lot of people to think about it in maybe perhaps a different way. I have a different way to think about it that I haven't really said too much publicly about because I wanna, they're my opinions. They're not anything that I can back with anything at this point in time. They're hunches on what's really going on here. And I think I'm gonna actually throw it out there today on what I really think is going on out there. And Eric is gonna go through some actual data points out there. on on to counter the propaganda. So we have propaganda on both sides. Influencers are being paid to peddle one message on one side and influencers are being paid to peddle information on the other side. And the answer is probably somewhere out here that isn't even close to either one of them. So I think it's a good thing to run through this and see see another set of data points that might explain a lot. And then I'm going to tell you what I think is going on. So how's that for an introduction? How did I do Eric? That sounds like a good intro coffee this morning. How about you? I'm getting, getting started with my green tea. Oh, the green tea. Awesome. To kind of set the background too. I want to lay out some foundation pieces. It, If I just jump into the topic and explain some viewpoints and give some data, it won't have the proper contextual foundation. So I want to explain why I start with the premise that I start. And I'll share a couple of the details here. So first off, I've actually built data centers, small ones. So on this topic, I'm not just a naive person with an opinion, I've actually built them. I know how they work. I know what the cooling is like. I know what the options are, that sort of thing. Warning, you guys have just entered the super nerd zone right here. All of us here are kind of like super nerds and like to like to look at actual research and numbers and such. But now this is a whole nother level here today. So let me start with some facts about our society as a basis, right? And here's an interesting fact for you. While I was coming to work today, I was actually in a used Tesla. And I like full self-driving, which is autopilot. And the reason I like that is that the car has a three hundred and sixty degree view of the conditions with its cameras and it sees things that I tend to miss. Right. So it's actually a lot safer. Driving in a Tesla these days than any other kind of car. Right. I have an older car which doesn't have the newest software, and it doesn't do the full autonomous driving yet, but it's pretty good. But it does let me kind of sometimes shift my focus because I'm not having to grip the steering wheel with white knuckles the whole time and check all my mirrors because the car is doing that for me. That's a form of AI. That's actually using Elon Musk's words, a robot. It's an autonomous robot. So you can think of Tesla cars with full self-driving as autonomous robots. They have the ability to decide how to navigate from point A to point B and control a machine to get there. Right? That's our robot. So while I'm on the way to work, I figured, you know, I, I need to get some links to my old postings. Um, so I've got them at my fingertips and I turn on grok and I say, Hey grok, can you find my ex posts, my recent ex posts about data centers and give me the link. Yep. Sure. Here they are. Can you find my recent, um, substack posts about AI? Here's the two titles I want you to go find. Yep. Here they are. Right. So as I'm driving my AI assistant research assistant is collecting the links to the information I'm going to need for today's show. But while I'm driving, right, just think about that. Um, it did it fast. It did it efficiently and it did it correctly. So. One of the foundation pieces I want to talk about is in the piece. It's a Substack article I wrote a while back called Snap Benefits and IQ. You want to bring that one up on the screen? Yeah, let me see if I can. You've got a couple of links here. Let me see if I can get them all up. And let's see where we are. Let me just a second. Oh, I see it now. Okay. See, this is what the great thing about doing this live and doing it as we, as we are talking, everything here is authentic. We are literally having coffee in the morning here, just talking. and going through things. There's nothing that's, we really haven't talked too much about. We did some yesterday, but on analyzing the data centers, but this, this is literally just off the top of our heads. You know, this is, this is just talking what comes up, but nothing's curated. So, and I like the live aspect of it because nobody can say that we've done, you know, photo, photo editing or video editing or anything. It just is what it is. So, and sometimes there are pauses in it because of that, but go ahead. So to lay the background to this piece, and I want to explain, I have a style on Substack. And some of my loyal followers there, they subscribe to my channel on Substack because they like my technique. And that technique is I sometimes veer off in what seems to be an unrelated direction. And people are like, where is he going with this? And by the time I get to the end of the piece, I tie everything together. It's like, ah, I see. Right. It's like James Burke, the day the world changed or that sort of thing. That's a great approach. Yeah. So we're going to do a variation of that here before we get into the topic of data centers, which is the main topic. I want to talk about this. And the reason is this will explain why I believe what I believe. So. um before we talk about this particular piece i want to i want to explain um what what got me to this and that is back in i was still living in california at the time and i was a fan of dr jordan peterson and some of you know who that is and what his work is but he's a he was a clinical psychologist he taught at Harvard, and then eventually at the University of Toronto in Canada. And he kind of came to prominence in twenty sixteen because he was protesting a Canadian bill, C-sixteen, that had to do with the criminalization of speech around pronouns. And at that time, that was just beginning to be a hot topic, but in Canada it was already pretty, pretty hot. And Jordan Peterson was very upset about the fact that the government could require him to speak, to say certain things. You must use these person's preferred pronouns or you're going to go to jail or lose your job. So he starts a campaign against that topic. And that kind of led to his being... you know, well-known and he started a lecture circuit and he started giving talks across the country and the world. And then he had a, you know, popular YouTube channel and all that. So in twenty six, seventeen or eighteen, I forgot which year it was. He gave a talk in San Francisco and I took my youngest daughter, Julia, to that talk. We hopped on an Amtrak and found a hotel for the night in San Francisco. We went to the talk. And at that talk, he, among other things, he talked about IQ. And that's a very hot button topic for the left, particularly. the left does not like the idea that there is some sort of natural distribution of intelligence. They want to believe that everybody can be re-educated, and I chose that word carefully, to improve their IQ. And if you look at what's going on in our education system, it's built on that idea that, you know, if we just worked hard enough, if we just put enough money into the system, if we just paid teachers enough, we could raise everybody up to the same level. And that's just not true, right? It just simply isn't true. I'm never going to be an NBA basketball center. I'm not seven feet tall. I'm not athletic. I can probably run back and forth on the basketball court twice before I run out of breath, right? I don't have the characteristics to succeed as an NBA basketball center. And there are people that are well suited to that, right? A very small percentage of the population has the physical characteristics, stamina, you know, athletic skill, all that to be a good basketball player. No amount of coaching or paying somebody extra money is going to change my height. Right. I'm not going to become a seven foot star if you just throw money at the right cause. Doesn't happen. The same thing is true with IQ. There is a natural distribution of intelligence, and this is true in the animal kingdom as well. It's been studied for a hundred plus years. Right. We see the same characteristics in the animal kingdom. And at this talk, Jordan was actually talking about lobsters. There were studies of lobsters on on what they call the dominance hierarchy. So there are bigger, badder, stronger lobsters that claim the good spots, which makes it more likely that they'll reproduce. And then there's the younger, weaker lobsters that lose out. There's a competitive hierarchy in the lobster world. And again, you can't throw money and make a weak, small lobster into a big, bad, tough lobster. It just naturally distributed. He used that example, too, to say that if you need a specialist in medicine, let's say you have a particularly difficult kind of bone cancer happens to be in the news today because of Tulsi Gabbard's husband. You don't want to just go to just any old doctor for treatment. You want the best. You want to find out who is the world expert in this particular kind of bone cancer so that I can get the best possible treatment. That's what people want. And so there's a hierarchy there, too. There's a hierarchy of skill. There are doctors who got C's and D's in college and they're working at some clinic somewhere. And then there are the ones that got a pluses on everything and they were just super geniuses. And, you know, they went to Harvard medical school and they became the world leading expert in, in, uh, osteo oncology, let's say. And when there's a, a dire need in your life, you want the best of the best, the top gun expert. so our society consists of these hierarchies one of the reasons we have social hierarchies is that it also aligns with iq and that's one of the things that jordan peterson studied for a long time is the clinical the psychological um uh factors of iq how to measure it you know how how to spot it in in young children and that sort of thing right Of all of the things that modern psychology has done, the most well-researched with the most numbers of papers, the most statistically sound is the research on IQ. It's simply an inarguable fact that it exists, right? And that it correlates to your success in life. It just is the way things are. The higher a student's IQ, the higher the probability is that they'll become successful in some field. It doesn't guarantee it, but it means the probability is higher that that will happen. So in this talk in San Francisco, while he's going over the distribution of IQ and what it means to society, he mentions an interesting fact, and that is that the Army is for a long time has used IQ in its own hiring metrics to decide whether they can bring somebody into the army. And if so, where can they position them? Are they going to be a tank commander or are they going to peel potatoes in the galley? Right. So they have a variety of tests. One of them is called the ASVAB. If you ever talk to military people, they'll still proudly tell you how well they scored on the ASVAB, which is a test that they administer that sort of quantifies your ability to be trained for this, that, and the other role in the Army. So for decades, the Army has used these tests, among which is IQ. And they've discovered through tens of thousands of attempts That if a person has an IQ below eighty three, the army simply cannot find any job that that person can reliably do. Right. They can't be trained for any useful job in the army, not even just peeling potatoes. Right. And that's an unfortunate fact. Right. There's just there are some people who on the basis of what intellectual gifts they have or don't have, they're just not employable by the army. And by extension, that unemployable by the, the economy as a whole. Right. Um, and so the question then becomes how many people are there of that category in the United States? And if you do the math, you can ask rock yourself. You can say, Hey, how many people are an IQ of and below in the United States? And the answer is going to come out to about million people, million Americans. are not employable in any way because of their lack of intellectual capacity. Now our heartstrings and our, you know, our left-leaning colleagues want to say, well, you know, if we, if we have these training programs and this and that, right, we can, we can make it possible for them to enter the workforce. And the answer is no, you can't. Those programs do work for a certain pop set of the population, right? There are people who are lazy. There are people who are underemployed. There are people who can be coached up and be taught something. I'm not saying they don't exist. What I am saying is that there is a section of the population for whom none of those approaches will ever work because they simply don't have what it takes to learn any useful job. That's just how it is. What does society do about this, right? The left says, well, we need to throw money and all these resources at these people and provide social programs and welfare and you name it. And that's not false, right? That's a true statement. We have to take care of people. You know, God obligates us to care for people who can't care for themselves. Absolutely. And to your point that there are people that cannot be trained. My youngest daughter, who is, you know, very, very disabled. She's over thirty years old, but on a good day, she's about three years old. There's no possible way that she can do any type of a job that she is not constantly monitored. She can do a few things, but it's not an indictment or a rejection of people. It's that The expectations that people have because they want everybody not to be left out, which is a good thing. People feel that way. But it is if you put somebody like my daughter into the situation and expect her to perform, they did they did a some tests on her. When I got the adult guardianship of her, she melted down. And I told this person, I said, don't, if you ask her to do this, of course, they all know best, you know, she's going to melt down in less than five minutes, five minutes. She was basically in an absolute meltdown. and jumped on my lap and i i just kind of cuddled her like a baby because that's what she is at this point it's it's expectations that will never be met and honestly i'll tell you this because we lived it it is uncompassionate and it's mean as hell yeah so so bear with us we're going to get back to the data center topic but this is the foundation And I want to spend a little bit more time talking about this because it's critical here. So let's use that example, right? It would be cruel to expect your daughter to have to work a job to sustain herself, to pay for housing, food, and what have you. She simply can't. And I got to tell you, another aspect of this is it's arrogance on the part of the people that think that they are playing God to be able to change something that is physically not able to be changed. She's missing half of her brain because of some unfortunate, she was in an accident when she was very little. And so, I mean, there's other things that come into play with this. But we can talk about that later because there's a psychological aspect of this that's hard for people to overcome. So that comes back to the left's idea of equity, right? So their fundamental worldview is we need to take care of people. And we can all agree on that, right? That's not a point of dispute. The point of dispute is how to do that effectively, right? What kinds of resources to marshal? But we can all agree that there are people that simply need to be cared for, and that's an immutable fact, right? But they also have this idea of equity, which is that if you just tried hard enough, you could coach that four foot tall dwarf into being a seven foot tall center. Right. And I always use that example who came up with that example. It's great. You're not going to coach a short person into becoming a seven foot tall center. Can you make that person able to play the best basketball they can do? Yeah, you could do that. Right. You can make it so that that four foot tall guy can play basketball as best as he possibly can. And it still probably isn't good enough to even get on a high school squad. Right. It just is. So the problem with the left's approach and I'm going to also criticize the right on this. Right. The left's approach is let's throw money at it and just, you know, have all these programs and welfare and what have you. The rights point of view, unfortunately, sometimes is, ah, they're just lazy, go get a job, right? When we look at these people who are not employed, the instinct is to say, well, they should just go get a job. Come on, I got a job, you got a job, my kids have jobs, everybody should have a job. I hear you. But there are forty million people in the United States that cannot hold a job. Just a fact, right? So what do we do? What we've tried to do for the last century is use systems like socialism and communism to forcibly take resources from the capable working population and distribute them to the incapable unworking population, right? I'm selling them hopium that this is going to change. Right. And exactly. The hope is that by doing this distribution of resources magically, that will fix all the problems. And it won't because there's that fact that the forty million Americans are not employable. Right. So that that's the underpinning of the welfare system worldwide is take resources from the working incapable and distribute them to the unworking and incapable. So we wind up in this country with a problem where we take tax money from people who are working. And if you don't participate in that system, you get thrown in jail. So it's slavery. You don't have a choice to contribute money to that system. It's taken from you by force. And it's redistributed to people by the will of the politicians. And there's corruption and all that stuff. Right. Not all the money makes it to them. It gets it's used to enrich Democrat politicians and, you know, whatever. Most of it is not taken like in foster care. I think they get about a thousand dollars a month to take care of people in foster care. Yeah. Right. That's not nearly enough. That's not nearly enough. So where's that money going? The politicians and their little pet projects. Right. So we have this thing called a snap card, right? And what it is, it's a credit card like thing, and it's part of our welfare system. And if you're unemployed, underemployed, disabled, there's legitimate people that have a need for that. You take that card to the store and you can buy food with your snap card, right? The problem is a lot of the people who are unemployable, you know, are living in poor parts of the cities, usually in urban centers. And the closest thing that they can go to to buy food is some gas station with their SNAP card, right? So and they're not high functioning anyway. So they go to the gas station and they buy bags of chips and Oreos and know popsicles and coke and whatever what they can get at that local speedy mart and the term we use for that is a food desert right there's places in the united states where the people just simply can't get access to wholesome healthy fresh vegetables and food and even if they could they don't know how to cook and it's kind of cruel to expect that they can do that they just don't know how Right. It's not reasonable to expect those people to care for themselves in that way. And yet the best we offer them is a snap card that they can go and buy some junk food. And of course, that leads to health consequences. Certainly doesn't improve their lives in any way. A lot of those same people are afflicted with alcoholism and drug dependency. You name it. Right. There's a whole whole host of social ills that come along with being the kind of person that's underemployed or unemployable. They do have feelings and emotions. They know they're, you know, they're not able to contribute. They get angry. They get jealous of other people. And it's that sort of that source of, you know, covetedness that leads to socialism. It's really driven by this negative emotion of greed and, you know, desiring what other people have. Um, so we have to find a solution to that. And I thought about a solution to that and that's what this article talks about. And if you scroll down, you'll see that the beginning of this article talks about robots. So what the hell do robots have to do with this topic of social welfare and snap benefits and IQ? Well, the answer is. We're developing a technology that started with AI, artificial intelligence. And about two to three years behind that, is the current wave of robotics. It's just taking a little bit longer to get functioning humanoid robotics to the same level of advancement as our AI systems are right now. Look right here at this section. Look what Elon Musk says. Scroll down to where it says. Go the other way. on the other way okay yeah always go well what's going down scrolling up i'm confused i think i got down down into the article so further into the article there's a block quote here from elon musk here we go so it says from somebody on x comes this quote it says tesla's twenty thousand dollar humanoid robot isn't coming it's here production lines are running right now And Elon just said the quiet part out loud so it should have stopped the world. Optimus, which is the name of the robot that Tesla is building, will actually eliminate poverty. Optimus will give people incredible medical care. Optimus will ultimately be better than the best human surgeon with a level of precision that isn't possible that's beyond human. This is Elon Musk speaking. And then he said this. Optimus is kind of like an infinite money glitch. Maybe there won't even be money in the future, but things might be measured in terms of wattage, which is power, electricity. Read that again. The richest legend alive just told you money becomes obsolete and your job disappears in the same breath. And now we get to the thing that kind of scares people, right? He said, your job disappears and we're going to get to that, but not, not quite yet. Right. Hold that, hold that thought and that fear off to the side for a moment. Right. in this talk in this video um he's describing the fact that optimus will do surgery on par or better than the best surgeon on earth and the thing is there's going to be millions of those robots capable of that precision neurosurgery which means you're going to be able to walk down to your local cvs or whatever store and they'll have a little room back there and you'll be able to get the best medical care available to anybody on the planet. To get that medical care today, you have to be a millionaire and you have to go to Cedar Sinai in New York City or one of the top hospitals to get that care. And if you can't afford it, good luck, right? You don't get that top surgeon. You have to make do. And if you're a Canadian, you have to wait in line six months to even see the mediocre surgeons. because of socialized medicine, right? The systems we're putting into place just don't work. You either wait too long. You're a money generator for select few, but they're not hitting the goal of why they were created. Right. So you might listen to me talk and say, well, geez, he sounds like a liberal Democrat. He's talking socialism here, and I'm not at all. I am absolutely against socialism. the current systems of socialism and communism because the way they're implemented leads to corruption and slavery and eventually leads to hundreds of millions of people dying because the control freaks who take political power in communist systems kill off their opponents, right? It just doesn't work. here's elon musk telling you that these robots are going to be coming soon that will be able to do neurosurgery as as well as the top surgeons right what else could they do well there's tons of videos out there of them cooking robots are going to be able to cook like the best chef on earth you want a four-star hotel equivalent meal a robot will be able to cook that for you Well, where are you going to get the vegetables and stuff? Guess what? They're going to be able to do gardening and agriculture as well as the best agronomists in the world. Your personal robot could plant and grow a garden of fresh vegetables and fruits for you outside your front door. They could grow those things on the tops of the roofs in downtown Brooklyn. And they could start cooking healthy meals for people who can't take care of themselves from fresh grown vegetables, right? And give them the nutrition that they need. And this starts to lead into this idea, right? Imagine a robot like that, that's got an IQ of two hundred and can do everything equal to the best human right now in terms of cooking, cleaning, healthcare, construction, whatever it takes, education. What you're describing there is decentralization of our food supply. Yes, exactly that, right? That's a great insight, right? And not the corporate farming. And when you grow things on a small scale, you don't need the pesticides. You don't need to do the tilling that we do and the disruption and all of that. And then you get away from all the ethanol and corn subsidies, which is one of the biggest lies that's been sold to the United States is corn or ethanol production from corn. We overproduce certain crops that we don't really need for reasons that don't make sense, right? And ethanol is one of them. And I know there's a lot of people with strong opinions about that, right? Well, you look at the facts and you can't even argue with the facts because the facts is that ethanol subsidies on corn, corn subsidies was one of the worst things that ever happened to the United States. And the other fact is that ethanol as a fuel is far less efficient in terms of horsepower per gallon than gasoline is. It just can't compete. And it turns out you need to use a lot of diesel in the harvesters. and the machinery to produce the ethanol. And you wind up with, you know, an even worse net energy balance is what it's called, right? Well, energy that has to go into a gallon of ethanol is is disproportionate to the amount of energy that comes out of it. They created other industries around the corn industry. and is a way to siphon money off once again of something that could have been a natural production. Like if you would have left the switch grass in place, you don't have to plow, you don't have to use pesticides and herbicides, you don't have to plant, you don't have to irrigate. You could mow it down at the end of the season and just use the switch grass and it would accomplish the same goals without the poisoning of the planet. So there's all these things that are around that, and there's many examples of that. But anyhow, I digress. Let's go back to local farming. But that's a good point you added, which is that this decentralization of the food supply is what's possible with an army of humanoid robots, right? Yeah. So building on that idea, going back to what I was talking about here, suppose now that in the inner city, instead of handing out gobs of money and snap cards and just hoping people will go buy healthy food and take care of themselves, suppose we instead offer them, not require, but offer them a robotic assistant that can cook and clean and take care of them and fix their house and do the things that are necessary to take care of those who are in need. And we spent some time yesterday talking about your daughter's example, right? There are some very amazing, compassionate human beings on earth who are able to care for people who are very difficult to care for, right? Problem is there just aren't enough of those competent, caring people to take care of all the need. It's exhausting. I mean, it's exhausting to be in a caregiver when it is so extreme and it burns people out. And when somebody truly has a true mental illness, the psychological capacity on a family is unbelievable. And usually the caretakers die early or get other complications just from the extreme stress and and such. It's just a reality. And that's true whether it's a family member taking care of a family member or somebody who does this as a job, right? And what happens is, and this is true also of elderly care, right? Absolutely. People go into that business with big hearts. They want to take care of people. They want to be a nurse. They want to be in the medical field. And they do it for five years and they're like, I can't keep doing this. It's too exhausting. I can't work the night shift to take care of that old person. I'm not getting good sleep. I don't get good exercise, right? And those people are also sort of desperate. They're doing those jobs because they don't have any other option. It's not like they would want to do a night shift in an elderly care facility. That's just the best they could get. And they're all understaffed. Every single one of them is understaffed. So those places are understaffed and those people are by and large mal-employed, which means they're employed in jobs they really wouldn't choose to do if they had freedom. If you gave everybody a billion dollars and you said, do whatever you want to do, you wouldn't find very many people who would want to go do those really difficult, hard, change the bedpan, wash the sheets, pick up the disabled person. Some people would do that. Oh, yeah. There's incredible compassion in a lot of these people that just really have a heart for that. You want those people to be able to do what drives them. But how can you make sure they don't burn out? And one way you can help them not burn out is to give them a robot to do the hard chores. Let them care for the person. Let them talk to and provide emotional support and be human and touch them. But let the robot change the bed sheets and the bed pans and take out the trash and move the bed from one room to another. All those hard labor tasks that are exhausting, use a robot to offload that kind of work. You start to get a glimmer of what I'm at and what I'm after here. So there's two examples, elderly care and I'm going to call it indigent care. Indigent just means taking care of people who can't care for themselves, whether that's mentally ill or simply people who don't have and never will have the skill to care for themselves. Sometimes what happens in these impoverished areas of the inner cities is you have families that there is no dad. It's just a single mom. She tries to work two jobs. She burns out. She gets hooked on drugs. And then you've got kids in a household that aren't cared for because either the mom's working or she's laying on the couch drunk or just out of her mind because she took fentanyl because she just can't cope with life anymore. And you saw that in the school systems that you worked in. I mean, this is based on, this is not just an opinion. This is life experience that you saw from the inside of the system. I worked in public ed in the second most impoverished city in the United States for ten years, Fresno Unified School District. And at the time I worked there, the superintendent would describe that district as the Appalachia of California. And what he meant by that is that because of the poverty, the sheer poverty, the households that made up that inner city had the same sort of health and education and work outcomes as Appalachian. I had one example where I was working in IT and we had to recover some stolen property. Somebody ripped off some laptops and ran off of them. And we had these tracking systems in there and we could figure out where they went. So we tracked down where those stolen laptops went and the police went to the apartment and they go into this place. And there's just piles of electronics and things that that household had stolen. And there's two kids in diapers on the kitchen floor, probably two years old. No parents around. There's a couple of pots on the stove. They're cooking meth on the stovetop in their kitchen and their kids are just crawling around in a dirty floor. Like that's no life, you know? And I'm not in favor of, you know, child protection services either as the way to fix that. That's also cruel and inhuman and unjust, right? Correct his own debt out, you know, they're making money off of other people's misfortune. But you have examples like this where what do you do? You're a cop, you walk in there, and here's two young kids on the floor in the kitchen in dirty diapers, not fed for that day, and the mom is cooking meth on the stove in the kitchen. And she's buying the materials by stealing laptops from schools. So you're impoverishing the school that's nearby. You're stealing their equipment. And you're using it to buy stuff to make drugs, right? It's just a mess. So imagine that case, that there's an optimist robot available to that family. that that no matter what else happens is taking care of those kids cooking cleaning making sure they have fresh clothes you know teaching them getting them on the school bus whatever whatever the parent isn't able to do the robot steps in and helps get that done right um a lot of people in this country also are working jobs they don't like they hate their jobs they have no choice they got to make ends meet right they gotta they gotta pay for their housing their car their their kids health care all those things right so they go the grind they get up set their alarm clock they go do that job they can't stand to to make ends meet right if those people also had an assistant a robotic assistant to um take the burden off that them for that purpose right that goes a lot farther than throwing money at people through the welfare system and on snap cards because obviously that doesn't work right it's obvious that system doesn't work um one robot could probably easily take care of a household of four or five or six people I would much rather our tax dollars, our government money, and what that means is going to change in the future too, but use our current terms for that. Our tax dollars should be spent on providing indigent households robotic companions. I like that word companion because that's what I mean by that. I also think that they should be supplied with autonomous vehicles. Right now in Texas, In the Gigafactory, these cars are being produced, and they're driving themselves out of the factory onto the streets and delivering themselves. There's no driver, there's no steering wheel, and there's no pedals. This is a robotic car that goes where you ask it to go, and there's no need for a driver. There's already laws on the books that they've been preparing for this day that people who ride in those things don't need driver's licenses, right? Think about that. There's a car that can take you from point A to point B and you don't have to drive it. You could be drunk, you could be incompetent, you could be physically incapable, and you now have mobility. You can go wherever you need to go or want to go because the car will drive you there. I would much rather people who are poor have access to cars that let them go where they want to go, when they want to go, how they want to go, instead of telling them, you've got to go outside at six a.m. on a cold November day and wait for the bus. And those the buses and public transportation are a train wreck. Right. You've got to go out there and you've got to get on this bus and you've got to sit next to somebody that smells like sardines and the other person's on drugs and the other people are stupid tired because they didn't sleep well and they're on their way to work and everybody's grumpy. Are you going to get stabbed? Are you going to get stabbed? That's what I wonder. Is some guy behind you going to slit your throat on the train like we saw? I don't think it's fair to expect people who can't afford any other kind of life to have to deal with that, right? They too should be able to get in a car and go wherever they want to go when they want to go there, right? The government, the tax money should be spent on providing those things, right? A robot, companion, and a self-driving car. So now we've kind of laid the groundwork here. There's two more pieces to this that make all the things fit together. What is it going to take to build a new industrial revolution that allows for self-driving cars for poor people and everybody else and robotic companions and robots for all these other purposes? You need data centers. because those robots and those AI systems and those Tesla cars and those kinds of things require data centers. If you're going to have a future that offers these social benefits to people, you have to have data centers. So now we get to the topic at hand, data centers. What I've noticed in the last month or two is there's a huge polarization taking place on social media. including from people that I thought were, I would have labeled them conservative Trump right-leaning people. They're popping up on X and other platforms and they're protesting data centers. And they're saying, oh, it's stealing our water and it's going to steal our electricity and it's going to raise our electricity rates and blah, blah, blah. And underneath all of that is a fear that the AI, which is really what these new data centers are for, is going to take their jobs. And I had one person respond to me in a thread saying, after I pointed out the facts, which we're going to get to, because the facts matter, I point out the facts of the data center's water usage, which are not what people think. They're not a threat to the water supply. And this person goes, well, I hope AI takes your job, not realizing that AI already has taken my job. And I want that to continue. In fact, I want AI to take everyone's job. Why? Because I want you to be free. I want you to be able to choose to do what you want to do. I want you to work on whatever you want to work on, not because you have to work, because you can, because you want to. If you want to garden, do that all day long. If you want to paint and create music, if you want to help people, if you want to build parks and public spaces, do that because you want to do it. Not because if you don't do it, you won't have a place to live. You won't have food, right? That's a different kind of world. And that's what AI and robotics offers us. So this person, you know, that's sniping back at me about the data center post I made doesn't understand that I actually want AI to do what it's doing and continue to do what it's doing. Now we can have meaningful discussions and we should about the purpose of life and all that, right? Yes, human beings need purpose. If you stop somebody on the street today that's a stranger, what do you typically ask them? What do I ask them? What are the first three questions one would ask somebody that you just run into on the street? I'm a bad person to ask because I launch into all sorts of different things. The most common thing one says is, hi, I'm Eric. Who are you? What do you do for a living? Right? You ask them what they do. I'm an engineer. What do you do? You know, you're having beer at a party and you meet somebody new. What's the topic of conversation? Where do you live? What do you do for a living? What sports teams do you like, right? But a lot of times it gravitates around, what do you do? And that's because that's our identity. I am a, I'm a teacher. I'm a bus driver. I'm a policeman, right? I'm an engineer. You identify, you describe yourself by what you do. Right. Fortunately, for those that, you know, that this applies to. Some of those people like what they do. Right. They're happy to be a teacher and a policeman and whatever. Right. And a lot of people are like, well, you know, I work in an office. I'm a clerk. I work in a I work in a call center. I work at a fast food place. I'm a barista. How many baristas out there have master's degrees in English literature? A lot of them. Because they're maleducated. They went to college and they spent all this money and they got a degree which isn't useful in society. And so they become baristas, not happy ones. I want to see a world where everybody says, I do this because I enjoy it. I raise butterflies in my backyard, whatever it is, right? Everybody should have the freedom to do that. But we shouldn't get there by taxing the other people to death and imprisoning them if they don't pay taxes to make that possible. And we shouldn't expect that everybody's going to be capable of doing that sort of thing, because there's forty million of our countrymen who can't. They simply can't. Right. And we shouldn't have the unrealistic expectations that we can fix that magically because we can't. But we should still find ways to organize society to care for them. Right. That requires. a better solution and that solution requires ai and robotics and those things require data centers so well think about this even if you have robotics everything in this world is is degrading to a certain degree it's either it's either growing like plants or it's degrading So it would be what I see is that is that we have a problem that we have to fix. I'm not totally convinced that that we're not going to see a lot of issues with going in this direction because it's like everything else on the planet. Human beings are flawed and we have you know, it depends on who controls things. that is where the, you know, the problems, you know, really, really roll into being. And so, you know, but think about this. Okay. So I'm trying to be really unbiased here and I'm a little bit, you know, me very well. I'm, I'm biased, you know, against everything until it proves itself out. I'm, I'm not a quick adopter to two things because I see all the problems with it first. And I have to solve the problems. in my questions about the downsides before I jump on anything. I mean, we, we know, we know each other really well, and that's where I always go with us. But the upside to this that I can see would be, it would create another type of industry because the robots are going to have to be maintained. And so you have, you would have a shift into a different type and the robots might be able to maintain the robots too. But at some point in time, there's, human interaction has to happen. The other downside that I see with robots is that right now we've got a very a society that tends towards narcissism. And that's a problem. Because you know, if you don't have kids learning compassion, taking care of things, and such, and they go right to, well, I'm just going to do this because this is all fun and it's all about me and I'm going to sit on my electronic gaming system full time and never really look at another human being. I see that as a potential problem that is going to have to be dealt with unless we want a society of narcissistic little psychopaths that grow up to really lose their humanity. So let's just quickly, quickly tackle that. Right. I think we could both agree that. Forty, fifty years ago, when we had the traditional family household where you had a stay at home mom, things were better because the mom could do those things. She could engage with her kids in that way. and model behavior and you know take care of them better right and now we're in a world where moms drop their kids off at daycare go to work come back pick the kids up from daycare it's a survival it's a fight for survival right if you didn't have to do that you would have more time as a mom and a family and a dad to do those things that were we did in the past because we didn't have to fight that way. You know, running a family farm is not the same as, you know, working dead end jobs to try to buy food, right? You're out in the sunshine, you're dealing with animals. It's wholesome. I want to get back to that. But my point is, the way to get back to that is this this route, right? Let's I know we're running short on time here, but let's You know what? That's okay. We can continue this, you know, to come back on. John's back there. But he actually gave me a message that said that he thinks probably bring this up. Its primary focus will be on AI. So we could we could talk about this with John, too. And I think that's kind of a that's a phenomenal way to approach this is we're going to have to deal with these issues of AI, because at this point in time, we are not going to be able to stop this, the technology, unless Unless all the grids are cut, electrical grid, the communication grid and such, we're not going to stop it. So it's like anything else. Any tool can be used for good or evil. It's always in the hand of the user. And right now, because we have a crisis in virtue and ethics, on the simplest test, if I gave people an ethics test, Most people would fail it very, very quickly. And I know that they would because they don't even have a baseline. Most people do not have a baseline of what's right and wrong in business. I hear this all the time. No, this is just industry standard that everybody's doing it. And my response to them is, guess what? I'm not everybody. I think for myself and on a base level, this is wrong and you've done the wrong thing. And all these idiots that you're basing your decision on, you're basing it on people that have learned to game the system, victimize other people, and they don't see the connection between how they're hurting other people. And so, you know, it's like we've got all these things that we're going to have to face. And people's automatic reaction is to have their confirmation biases or say, no, I'm right, you're wrong. It's like, I don't think any of us have all the answers, but we're going to have to get together and solve things together and look at all sides and consider things, you know. Eric and I do this all the time. It's fantastic. You know, let me quickly touch on this, you know, the thread that you're sort of surfacing here, which is that there's a lot of polarization everywhere on this topic. Right. You've got people that are very emotionally, they're angry about a future that has AI. They look and they're fearful. They're like, they, you know, the controlling elites are going to use this new technology to subjugate humanity forever, right? We're going to be prisoners. There's going to be CDBCs, you know, central bank digital currencies and fifteen minute cities, and they're going to use these robots to imprison and slave and control us, right? That's a view. I really want you to read the post about game theory and AI. That's one of the other links I put out there. I wrote that piece back in. Twenty twenty three. Right. So coming up on three years ago, I wrote this piece because I already saw where things were going. Right. Here's the fact. If you're fearful about AI and robots and your first thought is Terminator and Skynet and all these horrific movies you saw, where did that come from? Hollywood. Has Hollywood ever produced something that's in your best interests? Of course they haven't, right? If somebody is pushing a message at you to be afraid of something, you should be questioning why they are pushing that narrative. Why did they want you to be afraid of it? Right? Why, why should we be scared of terminator robots? And the answer is in this article, the answer is game theory. If I know. We're playing a game, right? Any kind of game. And I know that you're going to win. I can look ahead on the chessboard and I can see the moves you're gonna make and you're gonna win and I can't do anything about it. I'm gonna do everything I can to make you miss that move. I'm gonna distract you. I'm gonna psych you out. I'm gonna employ every trick in my book to make you not use the winning move. Because I know you're going to win. And so I got to do everything I can to avoid you seeing that move. I don't want to be put in checkmate and I can see it's coming. It's not us that's going to be put in checkmate. It's the elites that are going to be put in checkmate. They know that when AI and robotics give us the power, we don't need them. right we throw off the shackles that have been around our ankles and the ropes around our necks for thousands of years when we have tools like ai we can fight back that is what frightens them the most a world where we do not depend on the current systems of energy oil food water all those control points money All of those systems have knobs and valves and control points that the elites put there for their benefit, not for yours. Classic example, the power grid. This is something you've talked about quite a bit. Why do we have a centralized monopolized power grid? Because they're controlling it and they're siphoning money off of this. Exactly. And I can give you an example that I haven't talked about yet, but that I do actually know something about. You know, not only do I work in gas and oil, But this is a whole new thing that I went down and did some research with one of my friends who happens to be one of my green beret friends. OK, I've got a lot of friends, a lot of cool positions that I thank God I'm the dumbest one in the room. That means I've surrounded myself with people that are smarter and it takes the pressure off me. Right. We started researching some things and Palisades Nuclear Plant and the nonsense going on with this. When people get it figured out what these bastards have done, they're going to absolutely be, first of all, horrified and second of all, furious. what if i told you that some of these people that are involved in it developed and some of them are in government there's a general involved in this okay they developed they developed a um a co-op and the co-op is siphoning off power for their personal gain for their personal use and they're getting it for free the rest of us are paying for this for, you know, we're paying the big price and they're getting the benefit on it. And the way that they moved around the ownership of this and destroying it, tearing it down, putting it back together and where they move the money is going to make everyone so angry when they see this, they're not even going to be able, they're not going to walk the streets. And not only that, not only that, but the potential for meltdown in some of these things was that it's absolutely something, because I know a physicist, okay, so I'm a nerd, and I talk to a lot of different people in a lot of different areas. I have decent skills to comprehend things, and he's got something figured out that would absolutely, it's not a hard thing to make, it wouldn't be expensive, that can save tons of people's lives in an event of a meltdown. And it can't get anybody to listen to it because they don't want to solve the problems. And so this is an ethical problem. This is this part. That part isn't the IQ problem. That part is an evil problem. And it's like and it's it's evil. It's money. They're greedy. And, you know, when you look at how people function, you either worship God and truth and spirit and love or you worship the world. And it's a problem that we've had since the first moment we were kicked out of Eden. And we've had this discussion because things that I've said for years, I've said, we have to return to Eden. If we don't return to Eden, we got a problem and it's never going to be fixed. And returning to Eden means we leave the worship of the material world and we go back to God And we base our life on virtue and honor and taking care of things, maintaining the garden that God created instead of victimizing it. That's where we need to be. It's interesting that you say that because I, you know, we talked about this too. I want to write a book about my viewpoints and all this stuff. And that title of that book is A Return to Eden. Yeah. And that came out of the discussion that we have. We have the same view of the endpoint. We may have different ideas about how to get there, but we have the same view of the endpoint, right? Yeah. i want to go back to the corruption that you're talking about you could also say that um that morality right and ethics are also distributed like iq there are people that are extremely high ethics and there are people that are extremely low ethics right and there's a bunch of people in the middle It's also the case that some of those people that have extremely low ethics, it's genetic, biological, right? You're not going to fix it. You're not going to coach them and teach them to not be that way. I had a couple of people in our family who are absolutely psychopaths. Right. They were born that way. And you're not going to fix them. Not you personally, but no one can fix that. It is hardwired. It's a flaw in the brain. You're not going to fix a psychopath. So we got onto this thread because we were talking about decentralized power. Right. And you brought up Palisades, which is the nuclear plant in Michigan. There's a push nationwide now to start working on and looking at what are called micro-reactors, small-scale. nuclear reactors, which I have long been a fan of. I love fuel cells. That's a great thing. I mean, there's so many ways to go. I'm a fan of thorium reactors because they're fail safe, right? There are ways you can do nuclear power that are immune from the dangerous meltdown Fukushima kind of outcomes. Doesn't have to work that way, right? I talked to somebody the other day and I said the reason why we have the kind of nuclear power plants that we have in the United States is because the military wanted plutonium for bombs. We didn't have to build reactors the way we did. We were compelled to do it because we needed to produce enough of the kind of material that leads to plutonium bombs. I'm not in favor of that. I'm happy to build thorium reactors that don't make a plutonium that way. We don't need plutonium in my view. Right. But that's how we got where we are in France and other countries. They have what are called breeder reactors that don't they don't produce that that kind of dangerous material. Right. And there are newer kinds of my career actors that are that are fail safe, right? Should we use those to decentralize power? Yeah, I don't like the grid. I've written for a decade that the grid, the power grid should go away. I have a friend, Randall Mills, who's a physicist. He has a technology that we've been studying for a long time called the SunCell. It's another idea to get away from the grid. He talked about that decentralization. Interestingly enough, go ahead sorry the data center topic right is a place where decentralized power also surfaces right um it's possible and recommended that these data centers produce their own power locally so they don't need to load down the grid but then guess what they can have excess power on that facility that they can sell back to the grid That makes the grid more resilient, not less stable, not more expensive, more stable and less expensive if you have decentralized power everywhere. Where would you put that power? The place where the data centers are, right? Yeah, and there are ways to do this that really don't cost a lot of money. It's not as expensive as the way they're doing it right now with the grid. Many, many ways. I understand the biggest problem that we have with the thorium reactors is the coolant and how much like salt, you know, like a salt solution to actually cool this. There's some other problems with it. I don't know if we're quite there to make those yet. But the point to this is that there's other things out there that, we probably should consider and there's going to be glitches in it. You know, there's glitches in AI and, you know, we've had this talk all over the place, you know, because we get together and this is our moment to talk about ethics and AI and And learning the tools that are coming out. We do an AI class together with one other friend, whom shall not be mentioned right now. But the thing of it is, is that we're pushing the technology to see what direction is technology. I mean, we're literally pushing that technology to see the limits of it. and the threats of it and how it can be used for good and how it can be used for bad. When OpenClaw came out at first, there were so many security issues with it. It's a problem. And it was easy for hackers to get in there and they could have destroyed the world just by hackers getting in there and manipulating things. And people are not thinking enough and going, well, I'm not going to believe this at all. You know, it's coming from source and it's easy to hack, just like our elections. Our elections are absolutely a lie from top to bottom. We don't have elections. We haven't had them for decades. We have the theater of having an election, of showing up, casting our vote. Yay, I did my civic duty. Well, that's great if you're living in the fantasy world and not looking at the facts. But the facts are we've got Serbian programmers right now that have confessed to the fact we haven't had. They've been manipulating our elections for over two decades and it started before that. And so we've got a problem. You do not have a voice in governance or decisions or anything in the United States right now. So I'm going to say something on the positive for AI. And the positive is, you know, I'm going to invite John in here a minute. Hey, John, how you doing? I don't want to make you wait backstage anymore. Oh, that's all right. John, I've actually enjoyed and I don't know your name, so I'm just going to call you Cog. I've enjoyed some of the things that you've said. I will say I am that avid Trump guy that does not like AI. So if you'd stay on, it would be a kind of entertaining because literally my thought process was to talk about AI, talk about how it works in the financials. and how it's really unfolding across the world. You throw in one perspective. I know Donna's had a few other perspectives because I've thrown out a tidbit here or there. So I think the three of us are a little bit on different ends of the spectrum. So it would be possibly entertaining. We definitely are considering all things, but no matter which position you take on this issue, it's, There are some risks. There's downsides. There's not one pure way to look at this. And, you know, unless we just like totally like let the whole thing fall, the monetary system, the electric grid, the communication grid, and we go back to small farms and we cut all this nonsense out. Now, the problem is, is you've got a whole world to deal with. Right. You are not going to be able to control these other countries that are in the race for this. We're not going to stop it. Let me pause you there. You described a utopia. Let's go back to a world where we have small farms, right? I love that. I want that. I want that utopia. I want that utopia. I can shovel more scrap all day long. It's going to be fantastic. So let's put that out there. That's what we want to aim at, right? What are we going to do with the forty million people that don't go along with that, can't go along with that? That's the problem. We can have that. I want that. You want that. But there are people who can't. That's not a reality for them and never will be. I'm sixty two years old and I could still outwork more twenty year olds. Come on, guys. Up your game. You know, it's like. So I'd like to throw out one thing. And it was something that I kind of listened to. I heard about the robots in the households. I heard about, you know, how do we take our tax dollars and supplement? I heard about everybody getting a Tesla. I'm going to say didn't hear any of the beginning stuff. So I apologize for being that guy. But who's paying for that? That's all socialistic programs. That is that I don't buy into any of that theory. The other thing that I would always tell my kids in today's this world and to your point, AI is here to stay. We need to learn to harness it. But better than that, as I think what Trump is doing is he's actually trying to control it from above, just like we did as a world with nuclear, just like we did as a world with biotech. The reality is who's the worst performer in that universe? It is the United States. So I think what Trump is doing is sitting down with world leaders and telling them we need to harness this before it harnesses us. And we need to put boundaries in place so we understand what it's all about. And he can do that by saying, I am actually now in power of the United States. And the United States was a bad actor for many years. And I am cleaning that up. Now, what I would also tell my kids is if the world is going to make it easier on you, you just became that much dumber. So everything you're talking about, driving, that's motor skills, everything you're talking about, I have a robot to handle my family. Well, if I'm living in a utopian family, I don't need a robot. My wife or I could stay with my kids. I don't need that robot. And I had kids come up to me that said when I told them I was against the AI prophecy. And again, I'm not, but I am in totality. The long story short is what's wrong with AI? and i said here's what's wrong with ai and you said it most clearly it's a socialist setup and when it's really done only the people with money will do it so i used to tell my kids you'll never need a cell phone you're just going to get chipped i used to tell them that back in early two thousand tens the longest story short is these guys are saying well what's wrong with that i said so here's what's wrong with that it cost me a hundred thousand to do it it's going to tell me that i can do this i can do this i can do this so the halves become richer The have-nots become dumber. The people with the farms become richer. The people without the farms don't. It's the population of the world that is going to make sure we do this right. And I believe Trump's on the right path, but AI is here to stay, and we've got to figure out how to harness it. So let me just say I'm in sync with you on all those points, but I think you didn't hear the beginnings of our talk. This is great because it shows different viewpoints, and this is an important discussion to have. I should explain, too, that I've been working on this and writing about this for I've been in this field, you know, in technology and supercomputing for thirty five years. I was working next to people who were developing A.I. back in nineteen eighty five. I'm sure I'm not Johnny come lately in this topic. Right. and i'm hearing you you're expressing concern and reservations about a socialist system right what i was describing is that we we have a socialist system today i agree right it doesn't work right and and it doesn't work and it's a huge burden on us to have to pay taxes for this system that doesn't work it doesn't provide the outcomes we want now i was proposing that we would use ai and robots to help the indigent population i'm not saying you have to use it at all but what i'm saying is that there's a part of the population for whom that would be a benefit and and i would rather instead of throwing money at them and you know providing snap benefit cards and that i would rather give them an assistant to make their lives better, then expecting money is just going to solve the problem. And I'm not saying you pointed out who's going to pay for that. Where's the tax going to come from for that? If you really listen to the people, the smart people on this topic, like Elon, what he's telling you is taxes go away. The whole monetary system goes away in this world, right? And the reasons why I say that are complex, right? I could sit down with you and grab a beer and take two hours to unpack fully why I say that, right? There's really sound reasons why I say that. And I would share that I think the Trump administration knows these things, too. The things that I see them doing They resonate with me because I see that they understand the long-term trajectory. Look, Trump has had meetings with Elon Musk. They're friends. They talk about this stuff. We can agree as conservatives and Trump people, we don't want a world that has higher taxes. I want a world there's no taxes. i don't want to have a world where there's a control system that tells my future kids and grandkids what to do i want them to be ultimately free of all of that right i'm actually a radical in the sense i don't want any kind of government i've talked to donna and said you know i want to i want to build i call them mayberry bills right i want to build a little mayberry town with opie and the sheriff and all that and we walk down the street whistling we go fishing in the pond i want that world again But how do we get there, right? And so what I'm saying is that there's a path to that. I mean, we would agree, and that's the outcome. We want the Eden. We want the simplicity. We want the wholesomeness. We want maximum family time. We want moms to be able to stay at home and take care of kids. We want schools the way they used to be. My great-grandfather taught school in a little red schoolhouse in Illinois. You know, the K-twelve kind where all the kids go and it's one building and there's thirty kids in there. That was great. You know, that was the way the education system worked really well. You got out of eighth grade and you knew everything you needed to know to survive and thrive in society. Not today. You know, we got kids coming out of college that still can't tie their shoes. We can't keep doing what we've been doing because it doesn't work. And the question is, is there a better way? Right. What you're describing is what you want is really building the kingdom of God and as a nation under God with ethics, with people that reach out to help others instead of gain or grab things for themselves. And so. The stumbling block I see, no matter what we have or which direction we go, is the amount of evil that has been allowed to prevail here. So if you think about it, if we attack the problem of crime, law, and order, and I don't just mean Crimes, you know, in general, you have to attack it on an ethical basis where people actually understand the consequences of their actions so that they learn and they get smarter and they can see why these things are wrong because they don't even know they're wrong anymore because they're being so influenced by. And I'm just going to call it sin and evil. And so if we can't get rid of the evil, nothing we do is going to work in that capacity. So if we look at a hybrid of Eric's... Eric is a very, very, very nice person. I mean, if I had to put my trust in somebody doing the right thing, because he is truly a good person and his intentions are good to the core, okay? And and, you know, if you look at a person that comes from it, from that perspective, looking at the world with all good intentions and such, this would be an ultimate place. But now let's flip it to the to perhaps my perception of the world is that I don't trust anybody or anything until they prove themselves. It's like I do not take people in to a close relationship. relationship of trust or friendship that is earned with me because the world is sinful and it is incredibly flawed. People are flawed. Even good people can be passing on bad things that they don't realize are bad if they've gotten bad information. Is it their fault? No. Our national our natural inclination as we sit closer to God is to always do the right thing to have our mindset on. We know if you'll say, I don't know the difference between good and evil. It's like a lot of people don't anymore because we've walked away from God. We have a conscience, but there's a degree of. of influence that's been mind control, MKUltra, programming by Hollywood, programming in the schools, programming society to value our status or how people think about us over doing the right thing. Until we get over that ego-based wanting everybody to worship us as little gods, we got a problem. So let me interject because we talked about this yesterday, right? And it was at the end of the day and we didn't really flesh it out much, but I'm acknowledging everything you're saying. I'm acknowledging everything you're saying too. I mean, there's validity in all of this. Complete agreement that that's a problem. What I was trying to offer as an alternate view is why do we have... the legal and law and police systems we have is to protect us against the people who don't have ethics and, you know, the psychopaths that are going to kill and steal and take our stuff. Allegedly, except for all of those are corrupt right now too. We've got a zero justice system in the United States. So let me use that legal term stipulate, right? Which is to say, I fully agree with that, right? Fully agree that the system is corrupt. obviously right but the reason it came into being in the first place is that there are bad people in the world who would still steal kill harm whatever and we had to have systems in place to protect us from the bad people that nominally is what the police are for and judges and all that right doesn't work well but that's why it existed what i was trying to communicate is you're not going to um wash, you know, magically wave a wand and make the psychopaths go away. They're going to be there. The question is, can you defend yourself against them in a better way? And what I was trying to say is what I want in my utopia, in my Garden of Eden is a line of AIs and robots defending the perimeter. I don't want those bad guys to ever touch me or my family or come anywhere close. How can I provide that? Right. I can't rely on the police to do it in today's world. I want my own police force. I want my own defensive perimeter. All that takes money. It takes resources, right? This is the pivot, right? It takes resources. We've been conditioned to think that money is the resource, and it's not. Money is a substitute for resource. Money is an invention that allows us to acquire the resources. And that system is also corrupt, right? I don't like the fact that my government prints money without my agreement That's another form of taxation and uses that to spend it on things they want to do with it. I didn't get to participate in that decision. I'm not on the Fed board. I didn't get to tell them, no, I don't want you to raise rates or do what you're doing. We're taxed twice in this country. We're taxed by the IRS and we're taxed by this invisible inflationary tax, which most people don't even see or they're not even aware of. I don't want that world. But really, money isn't the thing, right? It's the resource. And when I have talked about this to people, you know, my friend Randall Mills, really it's energy is the commodity, right? If somehow I could hand you a brick like the size of a gold bar, if I could hand you a brick that had a gigawatt of power in it, you could do a lot more with that gigawatt than a pile of twenty dollar bills, right? That's what I want to give you is a gigawatt. And in the world that could come where energy becomes the commodity, I could literally give you a gigawatt. And we can forget this funny business of these dollar bills with dead presidents on them that they somehow keep printing too many of. You can't make more gigawatts out of nothing. If I may jump in here real quick, and again, you have much more credibility than I do. I want to make sure you, and I'm sure you understand that. I'm a newbie in this whole circle, but this is what I do for a living now because I don't have to work. Lucky. But here's what I'll say. My dad says it to me at eighty nine to this day. When you retire, you're going to die. Hmm. It happens to Bear Bryant. It happens to all these people because now they have no more sense of worth. So there lies a lot of that spirituality that Donna's talking about. And I get that money is unfortunately that end of gold. But if you go back through the history of time, and this is where I'll challenge where you're going. And I'm not here to challenge you because you don't know what you're talking about. What I'm seeing is you're right. That's a utopia. But utopia, and I like to say that ten percent of society is bad. And unfortunately, where there are a lot of bad people, that becomes larger. So our government's a good example. They're probably thirty percent, maybe fifty percent bad. of the people there are bad. Exactly. But the long and short is we have fought for money. We have fought for gold. We have fought for everything for our entire existence. And I don't want to say that that is our end goal. Energy is what drives inflation. So if you're talking about a utopian of removing your tax dollars, literally I'm looking at it another direction, saying that Trump is going to put us back on the gold standard. Which would, in essence, do the same thing because it would prohibit the governments from printing money. I see that as a more longer-term solution. I see AI fitting, filling holes. It's a necessary evil because I think there's a lot of other things going on behind the scenes that I haven't heard anybody talk about yet, so I'm not even going to go there. The long and the short is you said it more clearly than anything. AI has been around since, as far as you know, in nineteen eighty five. But as I like to say, and I know you said that, you know, the movies are telling you one thing. Well, I'm telling you that I think the movies are telling me exactly what they're going to do. So you're right. We have to see it and we have to circumvent it. But if you go back to nineteen sixty nine when they created two thousand one space odyssey, they told us what I could do. Then you look at the two thousand, you know, you look at the. the matrix and you see Keone Reeves crawling out of the pod with all the wires connect them, I'm sorry, there lies your data center. So what is a data center? And I know you may differ there, but if you have an unbiased AI, this is the internet. If you have an unbiased AI, the internet is the tool It's the data centers that is actually the companies, along with the government surveillance, that they're going to inevitably try to sell back to us to make us the final product. So there's where I struggle. And the other thing I'd like to kind of throw out there is my son, who I got into the markets when he was twenty five in the twenty twenty crash. I taught him some things he knows now more than I do, which is phenomenal because he's set up for life. But he's an accountant and he's good at it. And what's interesting is as we talk, we're all older. And I say when this dynamic change does occur and it's going to be a central currency, it's going to be a digital currency, however you want to deem it. The financial system, in my opinion, is going to change. But because there are so many people that have no idea how to exist in that world, People like him, the people that understand it that are young, are going to have to be the ones that help society through the transition. Because it's going to be a ten-year transition like any fourth turning ever turns out to be. So we're actually in substantial agreement on lots of those topics, right? I've also been talking about the gold standard, right, for decades. I understand that flaw in the system, right? You used that example of the matrix. I like that you did that, right? Because you're putting it out there and you're saying, that that movie was the elites showing you what your future is going to be. Right. Right. And what I want to do is pivot at one hundred and eighty degrees and try to persuade you that the reason they want you to think that is to avoid the path of AI because they know that that's the great equalizer. That outcome won't happen if we get the power, if we get the control. I agree with that. Unauthorized AI, you said it right there, because we run local AIs and a local AI, which is really frightening for the bad guys, because if you want to find something out, you can literally find it in an unbiased way if you know how to operate it. And that comes back down to people who can ask good questions, critical thinking and knowing. I mean, it's a tool. It's not it doesn't step in as God. It's a tool, you know. So let me touch on this because this this is this is relevant in lots of different ways. But, you know, this data center topic surfaced and people are. pushing back against it and without without kind of getting into the meat of that and taking a position i just want to expose something some facts right whichever way you land on this topic right now fine right you're pro you're against fine here's some facts the fact is that some folks have been doing research into the source of these narratives. One of them is Kevin O'Leary on X. Yeah, I think I've seen some of where you're going. Right. And he he came up he he talked about the fact they did a a ninety page research paper which they have shared with federal law enforcement and the White House. Right. Showing filings and funding records, dates and connections that document a coordinated PR push against data centers originating in China. Now, why would that be? Well, the reason that would be is China knows, as we know, that the people who are dominant in AI are going to be dominant in the coming industry, industrial revolution. And they want to be that dominant force. They want us to step on our jockstrap and fall down. They don't want us to lead and win in AI, because if we do, China won't win. So they're going to seek narratives that aid their perspectives. I guarantee you, there is no such protest happening in Beijing. They are not stopping building data centers. They're going ahead full speed, as fast as they can. And this is why, because they know that the economies of the world to come are going to be dependent on the advantages that AI and robotics offer, and they want to win. I have also seen a lot of that, and I know you talked about the water as well. I've now been reading that there is a higher technology that actually you throw the water in first and you never have to replenishment because the heating and the cooling system actually continues the water. So when they say it's going to deplete our water tables, there's technology out there that says it won't. But something that I did learn, and I'm assuming you're in Michigan as well. Yeah, I get that impression. So something that I was literally blown away and you guys can kind of Direct me in the right area. But I was always under the impression to a degree that Larry Ellison was in Trump's camp. I don't know where you guys are when you follow their group called Promethean. The ladies literally blew me away talking about how Larry Ellison was completely aligned with the UK. He backed these people from South Carolina. I'll leave those names out. I watched this all happen, and now they're building one of the largest AI data centers right in your backyard. And while I appreciate what you're saying, they also show a clipboard back in two thousand fifteen where he said, and frankly, I remember when this came out after we have the nine eleven. Everything's coming out and said, well, the government now can spy on you. And what did we all say? Well, you know what? Because I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm OK with that. Well, the reality is as I watch this happen and I see Larry Ellison's clip that says a surveilled environment is a behaved environment. Really love the man. I appreciate what's happening, but here's where I'll take it a little bit step further. And I love the fact that what's going on with the Department of Defense, what's going on with the Pentagon, what's going on with Anthropic, what's going on with OpenAI, the fight between Musk and Sam Altman. But when you come down to it and they say, we're not going to let Anthropic in the Pentagon because they don't want to follow our rules. Well, you know what? As much as I hate Palantir's Alex Karp, Alex Karp came out and said, if the government tells me to jump, I'm going to jump. Now, here's where it really, in my opinion, so you're more of an expert, I'd love to throw this out to you and get your opinion. But in my opinion, what the Pentagon is doing is opening the door for all of these players to come in and be seen. You do not come into this building unless you give me full backdoor access. I see everything. I see how you operate. I see what's happening. And I understand you backwards and forwards. The only company that has actually said they will adhere to the federal government standards is Palantir. I know, Donna, you said the last time we talked you hated Palantir. I'm going to throw out a couple of real caveats here. What I'm going to tell you, and you've said it best, the both of you, there are evil people out there. And unfortunately, as Donna was saying, More than fifty percent of them are in government. So when government on the bad side of things controls Palantir and Palantir says, I am going to do what they tell me to do. Guess what? They do bad things. But when we're in good control of somebody that's going to do what they're told to do, and I hate to say it to you that way. But now we're actually, Palantir could be doing good things. And what's really ironic is because I live down in a particular area of the woods, there's a lot of people down here in Tampa that are tied to the federal government and have worked on AI. I was sitting with a guy yesterday who says, oh yeah, we were working on AI, fifteen years ago. so what i have seen is that ai just like every major technology has been created by probably our government and when it's time to monetize it we basically hand it off to somebody else microsoft Facebook, all of these programs that have been out there, X, created by the CIA. I don't know if that's true or not, but the reality is they're surveilling us. They have all the data that they need. So when you see this and you see what the Pentagon is doing by accessing everybody's back door, and I love to go back to this. So I'm crazy. I go a little bit beyond the AI stuff. is you see Trump writing these executive orders. So in his first term, he writes an executive order that says, if you're involved in any sex trafficking or any human problems, I can seize your assets. Now, that's an interesting concept. He takes the step further and says, if you're involved in stealing the election, with a foreign government, I can seize your assets. So what is AI now doing? He just wrote the executive order for the AI, and he's basically saying it's a volunteer program. It's a mandated volunteer program. I'm not sure how that works. But the long and the short is, who's going to volunteer? Guess what? Just like what happens when the people volunteer, they get involved, they come forward, they're accepted. The ones that don't come forward, they are rejected. So as I watch things that happen in the marketplace, which I believe are somehow tied to some of this. So again, no credibility in this discussion, but I told my daughter to buy Intel at nineteen bucks because they didn't get along with the Biden thing because X, Y and Z. They didn't they didn't want to take their extortion money. So then they come in. The media is all over them saying the bad things. It drops down. I tell my daughter Intel. Because Nvidia doesn't build a single chip. They source it out. Nvidia is going to be given all their chip sourcing to Intel because it actually is a manufacturer in the United States. I lived in Arizona in two thousand. They broke ground when I lived there. So I knew that they had buildings. Now I'm watching Micron do the same thing. They were the only chip into the company that came out when Trump said, I need manufacturing in the United States. Micron was actually the only one coming out. Now I'm watching it go up. I'm kicking myself for not buying that stock. But the long and the short, when you see this, are some of these stakes that is all of a sudden, NVIDIA's taking a stake in Intel. All these companies are kind of taking stakes in these other. Are these behind the scenes? Trump's telling them, you're going to play the game. or I'm going to seize your assets because the executive orders that were written in two thousand eighteen were continued through the Biden regime and they still hold firm. And then you see Pulte come out and he's all of a sudden involved. What does he know? So when you look at the Federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve was basically the absorption of all of the housing crisis. So they own more mortgage backed securities than most nations. Oh, And what is Pulte involved in? The housing market. He understands where all the mortgages are. He understands who's got them. He's going to help probably unload the mortgage-backed securities that are in the Federal Reserve that Warsh is now saying, we've got to reduce the Federal Reserve's balance sheet. Well, all of that is a huge influx. And frankly, I believe that this is a destruction of our financial institutions. But Trump is running the simultaneously economy with cryptocurrency underneath the target, just like Nixon did. Really wasn't Nixon. It was Kissinger with the petrodollar back in the seventies. So I said a lot there. Shoot holes in it. I'm all in. There's no holes to shoot. We're actually on the same page. Right. So the thing is, you know, you're talking about the destruction of the financial system, monetary system. Yeah. And I am, too. We're doing it differently. Yes. Right. Same outcome, but different viewpoints. You know, when you talk about these chip fabs and, you know, AI and technology, I should share something else. I was a chip designer. I built supercomputers. I installed those supercomputers at the NSA in nineteen ninety six. Right. I'm not somebody who's new to this game. I'm sure. i know what the government regulations were back then right even in in as a private company building technology selling it to the government they had rules that said we basically own all your ip right you got to turn over your source code right we own it and if you wanted to sell to that market you had to tolerate that and um For good reason, especially in software. They need to be able to inspect to see there's no back doors and there's no malware and that sort of thing. But that's been going on since before the nineties. That was when I got exposed to it. It's common sense, but it's common sense that so many people lack and so many people don't even think about it. I mean, when I was in ninety six, I was working for a Fortune five hundred company. I was, you know, I had two kids or actually I didn't think I had kids yet. I was still a dink and I was still having to enjoy my life. So it's out of sight, out of mind for ninety five percent of society. Yeah. um you mentioned you know the changes that happened after nine eleven i've got stories to tell you about that over a beer sometime i don't want to get into that right now but i have deep connections to what happened afterwards and it relates again to super computing and that sort of thing right I've been an observer of the system my whole life. I'm fifty nine. Right. And as you probably heard me say earlier, I have pretty radical viewpoints about where I think government should go and what I think the role of money should be. But I think where we where we all end up is the same place. Right. We want to see a simplified wholesome, moral society for our kids to grow up in. That's a return in some ways to the way things were and an advancement in other ways, you know, improving on things that have never been this good. And the question is, does AI and robotics help us or harm us? And I'm not dismissing the negative case. I've always said that I'm not going to tell you I don't think these bad things can happen. They can. What I'm saying is I see ways that the positive aspects can dramatically help society. And I want to push for those things and aims in such a way that the good uses resist and battle back and defend us against the bad uses. You talked about having local AI and having your your own self-trained local system. I agree with that. I've said from the beginning, I don't want Anthropic or OpenAI or anybody to train the model. I want to train the model. I want to tell it what sources to curate from. I don't want it to read Wikipedia and Reddit. I want it to read the US Constitution and I want it to read the Bible. I've said this, right? I've said that an AI system needs to have morality to be helpful to humanity. I want it to be based on those principles. If you're going to have some rule set about what an AI should and shouldn't do, base it on the Bible, right? I'm in favor of that. But I'm expressing an optimism that these technologies properly applied can aim us in that direction. We don't have to go down the dystopian matrix, you know, you turn into a blob, you know, kind of thing. I don't want that. Yeah. And what you're saying, I don't want that either. Right. I don't want fat people flying around a little floating things and they're dumb as rocks. Right. I mean, one thing that you're saying, I support one hundred percent because I do see it with Trump's vision for us to become the manufacturer, basically, that we need to be. We don't have the amount of people here. So if you take into consideration, OK, they're saying as many as fifty million or seventy right now. Fifty to seventy five million people are illegal immigrants. They're milking the system. So I'm sorry. I'm one of those guys. Let's remove them. If they aren't contributing to society, we need to remove them. So when you do that and everybody says, well, then the economy will shut down. That's where I see the robotic world being a benefactor. But when you also look at how the economies and the Federal Reserve have basically prohibited people from having children, I can't afford it. So now you've got a drain on society. So I do see that there is, and this is where I go with AI, that I say that AI in the wrong hands is the problem. AI in the right hands, and who's to say who's right, right? There's the challenge. But AI in the right hands developed in the right methodology will be a huge benefactor to society. But the problem, and so I'll just tell you, I'm a dummy when it comes to computers. I went to school to be a computer software programmer. I couldn't get through advanced COBOL. The sad part is there's still COBOL systems out there in the world today. But the long and the short was what I learned and what I continue to think about is, you know what, it's a machine. And a machine can't do anything on its own. The programmer writes its code. And in this world that we're living in, the programmer writes the bias. And until we can remove bias, and that's why I say the data center can contribute to bias in the Internet. If it's opened up for free form, then you can have an unbiased conversation in an AI world. Some of those ideas are outdated, right? You say that a programmer has to program these things. That was true, I would say, up until late twenty twenty two. I agree, because now it's programming itself. What these things how these things work. And I'm familiar with the technology to a very deep level, right? In fact, I've written about that topic too. I've got lots of content on my Substack about that. But the fact is that the people who are operating these systems actually don't know how the neural networks do what they do anymore. They've become so complex. that they're essentially inscrutable, right? Exactly what happened. So it's no longer the case that a programmer said, if this, then that. That no longer applies. Now, it is true that the safety networks are that way. So they call them the guardrails, the rules that the AI uses to say, should you answer this question or not? That is determined by a human being. Somebody is putting together these rule sets that says, if the person asks, give me the recipe for a bioweapon, to say no. If the person asks, how do I design the trigger system for a nuclear bomb? Don't answer it. Those rules are human derived, right? There's a flaw there. And the flaw is and I've used this with Donna to, you know, our modern legal system has like a million laws. I don't need you to tell me not to kill on a Tuesday wearing a mask with a gun barefoot. Right. I have the Ten Commandments. That's enough. Those ten rules are enough. Do not kill. I don't need a hundred thousand variations to tell me not to kill. Right. And it's ridiculous because that's what our legal system has is a hundred thousand ways to say, don't do this bad thing. And that's also happening in AI. There's a hundred thousand ways to say, don't do this bad thing or don't give this information to people who shouldn't have it. Right. That's that's not going to work. And there are people who already figured out how to undercut that anyway. Right. Just like every other thing, there are people. they hack into it and they say, okay, if you do this particular prompt, you can like evade that whole protection system, right? It just, it won't work. So I do have a question for you. And again, I'm more in that financial scope relative to it. You're more specific to the AI and the chips. My son actually worked for a company that cleaned the chips. Before they went into government equipment under the Biden regime, they were under a visuals perspective. This company actually does it physically touching it. So after Trump came into office, their business kind of went through the roof now. But the sad part is through the roof still didn't really keep their doors open. There still isn't that much volume in the chip industry. So when everybody says NVIDIA's chip sales are through the roof, we know for a fact that most of that is based on future shipments. We're watching a circular accounting that happened in two thousand. What I've actually tracked is in nineteen twenty nine, the market collapsed because they controlled six stocks. Today they control AI stocks seven to ten. So when you look at that and you look at the way in donna mentioned the mk ultra you look at the way the media handles the narrative they could pull the plug on this entire thing by simply having the media say we're in a bubble and i'm slowly watching that evolve i'm slowly watching the media with that narrative and then i'm watching elon musk basically in court with sam altman in san francisco and they threw Musk out because he had missed the statute of limitations. But even on CNBC, there was one guy that supported Sam Altman, and there were seven guys saying, well, the statute of limitations was a bogus answer. They clearly showed that Altman lied to Congress. They clearly showed that Altman was making bank off of seven LLCs underneath the entire thing. They clearly show how Altman is not a good person in this industry. Now they're talking about how SpaceX... And OpenAI are going to come out with an IPO pretty much a simultaneous thing, which we see underneath the plumbing is a huge explosion with liquidity drying up in the markets. So it's almost like the controlled demolition. And as you mentioned, as Don has mentioned, as I think we're all on the same page, we see both sides probably trying to tear down the financial structures and whoever's standing on the right side of things when it comes back up that's the winner and or the loser so i kind of see this all happening i just because i've been calling this since twenty twenty one i've been wrong for the most part but as i tell my son who's more on that financial world and i'm showing him how the political world actually drives the financial world more than you can imagine as i said the day that the bad actors lose control is the day they pull the plug on the markets because they do still control the markets from London. What are your thoughts on all that garbage? I got to tell you, it goes back to pre-existing beliefs that all of us have. AI seems to be very scary because we're not familiar with it, but people suck. When you look at the systems and changing to something else, we've already failed. We failed the ethics and integrity test. So we look at look at the people sitting in the seats or the deputy positions or the people they appoint underneath them. If this was working right, none of this evil stuff would be happening. But it comes back to the fact that human beings are flawed. Right. AI is going to be determined by human beings who are in fact flawed. There's a problem there. that we're going to have to deal with. Now, does that mean that it's impossible to do that? No. And it also comes down to who is really in charge right now and what is actually happening. When I look at everything that President Trump is doing right now, I'm just like, you sit back and you don't make snap decisions. You sure as hell don't listen to fake news, which is almost all of them. I mean, this network, Brandberg News Network, I think is the only one I know that doesn't take money. Nobody's selling coffees. Nobody's out there taking sponsorships. You know, this is all volunteer. And, you know, the majority of the underpinnings or all of the underpinnings is being funded by me personally, which is why they haven't gone after us is because it's First Amendment free speech rights. We can say whatever we want. We're down to commerce, right? And so we've got a degree of protection there. But when you look at going forward, just to people that are predisposed to be against AI, I was too. I was absolutely done with it. And Eric kept saying, you got to look at this, you got to look at this. And I'm like, ugh. you know, you drive me nuts, but I love you, Eric. And that's the way it is, you know? And it's like, you know, your brother and sister, that's just kind of like going on. Right. And then I sat down and I'm like, okay, I'm going to get rid of my bias here and not expect everybody to be a savage like me who would just as soon have, you know, complete sustainability, complete, you know, take, take it all down and let's just, just do this thing. Right. And we'll all figure it out. I do believe, however, that, That with AI coming and the things that are coming, the things that financially that President Trump and the good guys are doing, you can see that it's the good guys in control. I have no question that the good guys are in control and that things are not what they appear to be. Even if they appear to be not quite what we are accustomed to or believe is the way that the law works. um, light working for us right now. Okay. It, it, it, it's been overlaid with a billion things. I mean, look what I have in the ten commandments. Human beings are flawed. God gave us ten. The Jews added another six hundred and forty eight laws on top. Israelites or what do you want to call it? Which is the, you know, start with the New Testament and watch the flaws that people interjected into the system. I'm not saying the Bible is, is flawed. I'm not saying that at all. OK, I'm saying that people are flawed. OK, and and with that, though, but look at where this is going. And if you could apply the game theory to it and look at the moving pieces on the chessboard, you're not going to get from this point to this point without several moves in between to get there. And everything that President Trump has done has actually been lawful. They're not playing games in the courts. They can't afford to because then they lose the game. That's right, because we've got an unlawful justice system. We have an absolutely unlawful government system right now because they've entered into commerce. This is a for profit entity. The government is a for profit entity and they are a giant sucking sound of our time and our resources to the government to dole out to those people that play ball with them. And if you're not playing ball with them, you're off the island. Well, they can attack you and they can put you out of business. They can corrupt you. They can do it all. Absolutely. And so it's a complex situation that we're in and we cannot afford to continue to invest in our own biases as they use them against us. And we become captured assets at that point in time. So I'm going to give you a perfect example of this. Okay. We have to deal with a lot of regulatory and regulatory compliance because of the industries that I own businesses in. Everything has got regulatory, which Perry Johnson, governor candidate in Michigan, is the kingpin for regulation and regulatory capture with ISO. When you look at those things, they write the rules, not the legislature, which is correct. They set them up to be able to write rules and effectively write laws that are adhered to by the regulatory agencies. They write them, they inspect them. Oh, they're getting more money for that. They determine who can stay in business and who can't. And I can tell you, I've never seen one audit. I have never seen one inspection on anything that's been without bias. Never. Never. that you've got a varying degree of people that have intelligent capabilities and those that are being told what to do to shut people down. I've seen it. There's no way to argue it. There actually is a way to argue it, and the fun part, and then I'll let Eric step in because I think he said he wanted to say something. But typically, they can shut you down that fast. And if you pay it close enough attention, which nobody does, and I love to go back to this Roe v. Wade. Oh, my God. It changed the world. Right. Really, all Roe v. Wade was is to put people to come out to vote because it was all about abortion. The long and the short is what also happened in that same time frame was a Chevron deference, which Chevron deference says that no independent agency, no lobbyist, nobody other than your elected officials have any control over any law whatsoever. And all of that and all it has to be done is contested in a court of law under Chevron deference, you will win. The FBI has no authority. The CIA has no authority. The Federal Reserve has no authority. All those lobbyists in those agencies, they have no authority. Zero. And nobody pays any attention to that. So I think what Trump is doing is waiting to drop that reminder on society when the time comes. Oh, see, some of us have already done that and have been fighting in the courts and have seen it. And it's like, what I can tell you what's happened here is that in the state courts, the state courts are not, they're a captured entity. They're like an Article I court rather than an Article III court. And so when I tell people this, it's like, if you don't get your lawsuits into federal court, you're going to lose because all they are doing is they're revenue generating entities to take money they are not about anything having to do with justice they are an administrative entity they're not even real judges none of them will qualify as real judges in the state courts but you can get equity in the federal courts and you can you can contest this but the court system moves too slow because we don't have the right to a speedy trial And I'm assuming and hoping that President Trump and the good guys are listening to this because these are the structural deficits that are holding people such as myself who would go in there with the proverbial guns a blazing in a legal sense and sue them all to an oblivious state of irrelevance. But until we get a handle on these game playing in the court system and have a clear path that is going they will they will they have the ability to shut you down to the point of in operation and so though that path is there with the chevron deference we've talked about it on here many times and understand that thing you know because this isn't fake news this is actual real news here you know we've talked about it but the clear path is almost impossible and the amount of money it takes to fight it right now in the court systems makes those gains in today's world nearly impossible to get any actual justice. Now, I think, before I turn this over again, I do think that President Trump is working towards that end. And this is one of those things where you've got the game theory and the moves on the chessboard that have to be played out to get to this end. Everything's got to be in line. And so to everybody sitting there screaming, I want Gretchen Whitmer arrest. I want Benson arrest. I want Nestle arrest. Don't be stupid. Okay. They can take out one of these top dog positions and they've got a hundred sitting in the wings that have already been groomed to step in. You aren't going to change a thing by having a knee jerk reaction to to arresting these people. The ones you better be looking at are the ones in the townships that are allowing the police and the fire department to use the township credit cards to buy personal property on with nobody seeing this. And why do you think they put Pulte in power? But go ahead, Eric. You were going to say something. I wrote down a couple of notes here. Let me just... Oh, this can go on for ten hours today, but I've got to get hay at some point. Let me just plow through these things I wrote down here. I'm going to get my bread in the oven here. You guys keep talking because I'm going to feed these people that are coming to take hay. Carry on, please. I like the fact that Donna used the word irrelevance because I'm going to build off of that here just in a second. But you were talking about open AI in the court case. My perspective on that is Elon Musk isn't dumb. He knew about the statute of limitations. That was deliberate. And we also know San Francisco is not a good place to... to try that but continue all all fair right um i think they were all aware that um that that was that was the thing that there wasn't an intention to detonate open ai and the reason is it's it's it would become an economic risk right it's like right um it's like blowing up one of the you know automobile competitors in the nighties and forties and fifties maybe you had a case against gm But you couldn't just say, let's go blow it all up. Right. Had to kind of accept the fact that it it's big. It matters. Right. And so they wanted to use the case to expose all the evil, bad stuff. And they did got all got all that out in the in the media. And like, we're all aware now of the, you know, shenanigans that Sam Altman did. He's a scumbag. All that stuff. Right. It's out there. That's going to affect the valuation of their IPO. Sure. But I think there was never an intention to blow up the competitor, right? It was a method to strategically release these things that needed to be said. And they were said, right? Yes. Chip fabs. So a lot of people are not aware of the fact that Musk is working on what will become the world's largest chip fab. He's going to do it in a completely unique way. There is a dependence worldwide right now on a technology, EUV lithography, for which there's only one company in the world that makes those machines. they're the machines that are employed in taiwan at tsmc at intel at amd they're they're required in the current kind of chip fabs right that's a bottleneck you've got a critical dependency on one provider of this specialized equipment right and then these things are like forty million dollars a pop to buy this machine they're working on a chip fab process that will minimize or eliminate the dependence on those things right In order to produce Tesla automobiles and robots and these other things, Musk and his team realized we can't depend on the existing chip manufacturing capacity worldwide. It's not enough. Not enough. We got to have more capacity. And so they're building their own fabs and they're doing it in a smart way. I listen to like a two hour podcast about how you're going about this chip fab that Tesla is working on. i'm a former chip designer i used to design chips i worked with um i outsourced the production of the chips i designed to tsmc to ibm microelectronics uh to um yamaha of all things i built it i built the gene sequencing chip in in and six that was produced by yamaha like why yamaha they were making electric keyboards. Well, those electric keyboards needed computers chips in them and they built their own capacity, right? So a big change is coming in chip fab. Intel will continue to be a big player. We need to onshore chip manufacturing. We need to reduce or eliminate the dependence on Taiwan. All that is good. It's happening. Musk is going to provide another route. Is Musk going to do it in the United States? Or are you aware of that? I'm not sure it's advanced far enough to know all the answers. I think some of it will be in Europe, some of it will be United States to be decided, but they're at least working actively on how to design these new factories to reach the scale required for XAI and robotics. Just keep an eye on that. Keep an eye on what moves SpaceX now, because that's where it's going to happen. Keep an eye on what moves they're making in chip fab, because that's going to change the landscape. Third thing is, you know, Donna says every day, and she said, you know, at some length, the world is full of evil people and there's corruption. Gave examples in local government. And we're all talking about ways to, how do we fight that, battle it? How do we you know, take these people down, file lawsuits, all that, right? A couple of weeks ago, I wrote a Substack post about Matthew four, eighteen. And it's a really interesting post. You should read if you have it. Do you have it on? Did you put it in the I didn't. I had it the last time you were on. I put it up. I remember that. And I don't know if I have it up right now. Oh, you know what? I still have it on my tabs. Perfect. I believe in like a million tabs open. It was it was about Matthew four, eighteen, which basically says repent for the kingdom of of heaven is at hand. Right. I saw that on a billboard as I'm driving up north in Indiana. And I just I was curious about the exact origin of the word repent. And yeah, there's the number seventeen, right? My favorite number. I was curious about the meanings of those words. And if you read the article, it'll it'll explain to you what research I did. But the key point is the word that's at the very top of this article. Go right back to the top. Under underneath the picture. Up a little higher. Other direction. Oh, way up. There we go. Keep going, keep going. Keep going right there. That Greek word. It says metanoia. It's a Greek word, right? And that's the actual word that occurs in Matthew four, eighteen in the original coin Greek metanoia. And it does not mean repent in the modern sense. It doesn't mean have a, you know, a sense of shame and regret at your your sins. That's not the original meaning of that word. That word meant change your thinking. The literal Greek means change your thinking, change your mind, change your perspective, look at it in a different way. That's what the original coined Greek meant when this passage was written, right? Change your thinking, change your perspective. You said the word irrelevance in what you were saying originally, right? And what I want to sort of position in your mind is Stop thinking that we need to battle against these corrupt government systems and all that, right? We should. We are. That's going to continue for a while. Maybe a world will come where it is irrelevant. And that's the utopia I'm talking about. I don't think we're going to eliminate corrupt, bad people. I just want a world where my style of life and outcome doesn't depend on what they do. I don't need to beat them down and kill them. I just need them to not have any effect on my life. I want to render them irrelevant. You go and do what you want to do. Have your socialist, communist, Marxist New York City. I don't care. I just don't want to have any contact between your society and mine. Right. Yours is going to fail because that system is going to collapse. I just don't want to fall down with it. I don't want it to fall on me. And so that's my view of utopia is I want to system a world, my Mayberryville, where all these corrupt systems of government are irrelevant. I don't have to win. I have to just not care about them anymore. That's metanoia. That's change your mind. That's think about it differently. I love that there are so many people that can't change their mind, which is sad. But this to the AI perspective and people talk to me because, again, you'll heard me from the beginning. I'm against AI. But when people ask, especially down here in Florida, we're trying to do away with property tax. Well, we know that DeSantis wants to do it, but we also know the local governments won't allow it. So we're watching it unfold, and it's kind of funny. It's a sixty percent amendment. It has to have sixty percent to pass. Fifty seven percent of the homeowners in Florida are homesteaded properties. OK, so just if there's a parity of election, fifty seven percent doesn't get me to sixty. It won't pass. It'll be interesting to see how it unfolds. But I think it's just another narrative to get people to vote. But when people say. Well, if the local governments don't walk away from their spending. So we have the federal government trying to do that with Doge and everything else. We have the state governments. Some of them saying it, some of them not. But the local governments, which is where it really stands, they're not willing to cut what they use. And so what I like to say is, to your very point, we have to change the way we think about it. It's not that... You know, I collect a million dollars and I spend a million one because this is how it's been done all along. And I try to use the school board as an example because it's almost been the one that's most relatively out there. You see the school board is a flat piece. It's a flat scenario. You see the teacher's salaries are making four to six percent every year. You see the principals and the vice principals are making fifteen to twenty percent every year. And then you see the administrative state that's through the roof up ninety percent. Meanwhile, the student capacity is actually going down three percent. OK, help me understand this model. And so what I say to people is until we change our way of thought, And this is where I love AI because I see Trump doing it at the federal level with our government. He can actually leverage AI because everything that you hear, and you may be able to add to this, Eric, as now I know you're not COG, is that AI supposedly... can do anything that a keyboard can't. And that administrative state, which is ninety percent of the school boards of our local government, of our state governments, of our federal governments, if we write AI to replace all of them, you know what? Your tax base drops dramatically. But holy cow. That's a lot of people to put out of work. So it's like, which is better? Which is worse? I know I want to get to that utopia, but one of the things or some of the things that I see Trump doing within the markets, and Scott Besson's been phenomenal with this, he's literally keeping our markets from collapsing. You said it probably pretty well on how, okay, Elon Musk knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he wasn't going to win. He was more of an exposure. So as you expose the evil in these organizations, and this is where I think Trump's leveraging these executive orders, to slowly now he can pull Sam Altman in, who wants back in the Pentagon. Oh, charming, come on in. Let's sit down. Let's talk. You're slowly going to have to move your business proposition over to somebody else. You're eventually going to become independent. irrelevant in the equation. And Trump's doing that, in my opinion, to keep the markets from collapsing, which, again, I've been at a state of awe watching him do that, because I've been looking for a collapse for quite a while for a lot of different reasons. And Trump and Besant have been absolutely brilliant when it comes to that. So let me just back up to a phrase I used. I said, I want to render these problems irrelevant. I don't want the I don't want the building to fall on me. What's another word for that? Control demolition. If you don't want the building to fall on you, you do a control demolition. So another perspective we can take is that, you know, you use the term white hats, the good guys, whatever you want to call it. They're working out control demolition. They're trying to demolish and disassemble the old systems in a way that doesn't fall on your head. Yep. You said that AI in the future will be able to do these things that will render these jobs irrelevant. I'm here to tell you it already happened. I agree. That's not a future thing. It's now it already happened. How do I know this? Because I use it every single day. When I'm not on this podcast, the work I do every day involves using AI to write software to operate a business. It's to the point now where I can, using English language, instruct an AI to fully operate any small business or government agency or admin office in a school district. Again, I was one of those admins for ten years in a school district. I saw it from the inside, right? When you're talking about the rate of pay increase and all that, I saw that, right? Also saw it was not effective, didn't help anything. Kids weren't smarter because the teachers got that five percent. Did the teachers survive better? Yeah. Right. Did they survive the inflation? Yes, they did. Right. It did help them. It didn't help the kids. It helped the people. So again, Metanoia, I want to move to a place where these corrupt systems of government are irrelevant. I'm not calling anybody, by the way. I know that's coming in. Yeah, that's all right. So, yeah, when I look at all of this once again, we're going to have to deal with the spiritual end of this. There's no two ways about it because people, if the entire system collapses, which I think that we're going to see some massive changes here very quickly. I really do. And I'm okay with that because I'm not afraid to change from a system that's already corrupt And see if we can do a better job at doing new things and finding new ways to do it. But also being aware that there are problems that come every time you make a change. You're going to have to deal with a different set of problems. So yesterday I wrote about something that kind of outlines... The way that I look at things like the AI data centers, I've got a really a completely different opinion on it. And it's more of a it's more based on game theory of what I really think is is going on there. And it's decentralization of the power grid. I think we're seeing a decentralization of a power grid. These things are obsolete before they're even built. OK, that's a problem. And so we've got all this old equipment that I think has a good chance of being repurposed in yet another decentralized way. And so I'm not totally spooked by the AI data centers. because I'm still evaluating because there's more to it. When you look at the effect that the data centers have, there's ways of doing the cooling and all that sort of thing that can be stepped around. Okay. That is a, that is propaganda. If you're hearing the, you know, hearing this, there's some propaganda. And I mean, I've been on it at first a little bit because when you see it, you have to take that information and evaluate for true or false. Is there a threat or is there not? However, I don't like the destruction of the farmland around where people live. I don't like what they've done. It's the same feeling I have about the solar farms. The way that we've got solar now with the ability to do the batteries. And actually, there's a way that I'm working on right now to create a hundred year, probably longer than that, battery that requires no maintenance. It's possible. kind of got that sort of figured out okay and so the the technology that we have is something that could absolutely i mean even over thirty years if you've got a solar panel you're gonna lose maybe ten percent of the efficiency okay it's not a complete failure but when they do that over farmland in vast areas near houses And you have one one solar farm that and I mean, I've seen it because and I know a little bit about what I'm talking about, because honestly, one of our companies got called in to bail out these asinine solar farms because they didn't engineer them correctly. And now they're going, oh, crap, what do we do? And so one of our companies has been, in fact, trying to help in this situation because if we don't help it, the people around it are going to suffer greatly. And I mean greatly because of what they've done with these solar farms. Solar farms should not exist. for a number of reasons. It's a destruction of one resource in light of another. Well, it's worse than that. Actually, it's worse than destruction of the farmland because they're stupid. The people that have designed these are stupid people, okay? You're going to lose so much of the energy through the gathering systems. It's just like anything else with the windmills or anything. the gathering systems, you're going to lose a lot of efficiency just through the gathering systems. And they build them way out in BFE, okay? I mean, you're not going to get them in. They're not necessarily where you're going to use them the most. Why are they not installing them on the tops of the buildings where they're being used right there? Why doesn't Meyers or Walmart have these things installed on top of the buildings, powering them and selling it to the local area? for energy. Because they know weather will destroy them. They're not stupid. In some ways, yes. But in some ways, the new ones that they've got out there, there's ways of doing it so that the weather doesn't destroy them. They're just not talking about it right now. And like I said, we're in it. The dumb things that they've done in these solar farms is they've built them on about most of them on about a two percent grade. they put no drainage in there and all of a sudden you've got you've got power that defies uh the explanation that they're pulling in sitting in a freaking pond it's retarded and then the other thing they did is oh they look just so great somebody got the contract to do the lawn the lawn installation there with all of the grass and crap and it's like all of a sudden they go oh crap how are we going to take care of keeping the weeds and the grass down because it's growing to four feet underneath these things we can't get anything underneath them to cut it down without putting everything in jeopardy of damage on human error and other error these people are so stupid i wouldn't put them in charge of an ant farm okay well before you call people stupid i will tell you that my dad owns a farm, which is in my name. So I'm going to have a farm when they pass away. He literally was this close to signing a contract to replace that farmland with solar panels. He never told us. Sorry, my dad and I are close, but we're not that close. I ripped him a new one. I said, don't you ever make a commitment. I said, how long is that commitment? Well, it's a hundred years. And then when you start looking at the contract, I'm like, okay, are you going to be around for a hundred years? So you're going to saddle me with this program. And when you understand the contract that he was being offered, They put them in and the people that own the land are responsible for the maintenance. And as soon as that maintenance comes in, it's like, holy cow, this is crazy. This is going to be a huge expense to the homeowner. And they don't have any idea that that's even coming. John, you're the only person that I've ever heard talk about this because I've talked about this repeatedly on here because the wind farms are the same way. They're spending about two million dollars per per windmill to put it in. You got more oil that's got to be changed on top of that every three months than than anything. It's not green energy. The blades are composite. You can't break them down. They use a coolant in the nose cone that they can't keep keep sealed. And it's worse than Freon. They put all this infrastructure into the ground. Nobody read the contract because they're greedy and they went after the quick the quick money. They are responsible. The farmers are responsible to take it out. They're never going to be able to afford it. And guess what? The land grab is right there. It's right in front of you. Absolutely. And the reason why I did this is I actually funded a study with Western Illinois University that had to do with our train facility that we own. I wanted to maximize it. And I said, what are we going to do with all of these freaking blades? And they're so big. That I figured, well, maybe we can figure something out that we can do there in part of the facility because we've got twelve acres on the roof there. It's huge. It's a huge facility. Right. And I'm like, OK, so maybe we can find something to optimize it. And that is where then this happened almost twenty years ago. Now, this is where my knowledge into the wind industry, which is attached to the energy grid, which we also I have a great deal of knowledge on. This is where this started. Don't ever sign a contract until you have thoroughly understand the implications. And if you're looking at the dollar signs, oh, yay, look at how much I'm going to get. They got you roped and gagged already. Well, as I went back from the original conversation, I know Eric wants to say something again, but when it's easy for you, you're getting ripped off. Run. Run and never look back. I wanted to circle back to something you said, because I want to knock another leg under the chair for the data center opposition. You said, I don't want these things to take over farmland. And I showed you yesterday that, again, is a red herring, right? We're not talking about vast tracts of farmland. That's bullshit. These things, the size of these things are the size of a large Meyers, maybe a Amazon warehouse, something like that, right? It's not a huge consumer of land. And we talked about the fact that the farmland in Michigan, is used today to grow subsidized corn, soybeans, wheat, right? By big corporations, not big corporations, by the government paying farmers who otherwise would go out of business. Why? Because there's not a market for the product. We don't have the demand there for ethanol-based corn. So we create these funny systems to sort of prop it all up so that there's a fake market for ethanol fuel, which is not really a good fuel anyway. All these things. I'd be happy if a hundred acre... field near my house that's now planted with corn became a data center because that's actually useful. I'm going to add another counterpoint to this that I'm going to disagree with you on this and I'll tell you why. Most of the data centers where they're putting them in are not out in the middle of nowhere because they have already kicked the local farmers off in Michigan. We're already seeing the end of the small family farms and the corporations have taken them over and where they're building them is over the aquifers. so that the corporations are taking advantage of that and controlling the water the other problem we have is the township hacks criminals because they're all criminals in there because they're not paying if you're not paying attention to the constitution you're a criminal you have literally committed treason and so we got a big problem there but what they're doing is they're taxing people by property taxes off their land where they can't afford to live there anymore. And all of a sudden, the big corporations swoop in to pick that land up. I have seen so many family farms that they've just gone in and plowed under all of these old homesteads that were there because they basically taxed them off the land. And it's unfortunate. Why are we not doing these things over, say, parking lots or on top of buildings? There's better ways to do this than the way they're doing it right now. Let me stipulate again. I use that word stipulate. Everything you say is correct. I'm against the corruption. And yesterday we said, I don't like the fact that Dana Nessel's husband or whoever that is. She's gay, so she's a lesbian. Well, who's the other one? Who's the husband? We call those beards. My kids taught me that. I don't like the fact that a government official for Michigan's husband is profiting, pocketing money from deals that are being cut for these data centers. That's wrong. Well, most of them do that to the spouse. I hear you. I'm against that corruption. I'm against the corporate thing that you're talking about. But those arguments do not undercut the need for data centers. They are a counter argument. It's not really a valid counter argument for that specific thing. You can build data centers in a way that doesn't affect the aquifer, doesn't pollute, isn't noisy, and doesn't do these bad things. Can't we put it up in space or something like that? So someone must be going to have them in space, yes. Why is he saying that? It isn't actually practical to put data centers in space, but he realizes it's a lot easier than dealing with all the local politics. Because he knows he can't win. I'd like to throw in a couple pieces to what you guys are saying. And again, Eric, you're going down that social world that I don't like. So when I ran for office and I ran for a property appraiser and I went into the elderly community, what are you going to do for the elderly housing? What are you going to do? How is housing affordable? My answer to them was nothing. They didn't like that. I still got forty eight and a half percent of the vote and I still think they stole it from me, which is exciting. But the long and the short is I said, how do you feel about student loan debt? Oh, well, no way. So you said a lot of that farmland is subsidized. One thing by working in the consumer packaged goods all of my life is I like to say, when I take a price increase into Walmart, I sell it today for a dollar. I take a price increase to two dollars. His velocity will drop twenty five percent because it's just minor basic economics. But his sales go up. Oh, by the way, when he makes fifty percent, he never changes his margins. So his profit goes up. Wow. It's a win win. Corporate America loves inflation because it's a win-win. Now Trump says I'm going to lower prices. The whole political scope says you haven't lowered prices. Well what I will tell you is there is one segment of price that will never go down. That is consumer pricing and that's because Walmart cannot look Wall Street in the eye saying I'm going to lower retail prices. I'm going to take less But oh, by the way, my margin's protected. Oh, sell, sell, sell. The whole place goes. Every category manager gets fired because they're now not contributing the dollars they used to contribute yesterday. But there is one segment that changes. Well, interesting. Egg prices changed. They went down. You know what? Corn. Subsidized products. It's all commodity-based. That entire segment, if we didn't prop it up with bogus supplements from the United States government, guess what prices would come down? Food. Food. Collapse is one thing, and I get that the farmers will be at the suspect and concerned with that, but the reality is it brings down the cost of food. And I know we have to think differently. So I think we have to think differently on the commodity scope, because when you watch what's happening in the world today, the commodities is where the financial movement is really happening. So go on. So again, in total agreement on all that stuff, because of the advances in how we grow food in agriculture and agronomy, our efficiency is so high, we don't need as much land under production for food as we did thirty years ago. It depends on what you're qualifying as efficiency. My wife works for a food company. Fair enough. Efficiencies and chemicals are two different things. Fair enough. And I know there's a snake in the grass there having to do with pesticides and all that. I get that, right? Not fighting that at all, right? But what I'm saying is that there is a lot of land in Michigan that's used for farmland that in the ideal world wouldn't be needed for food. We've got enough arable land for the food that we need. There's more than that in production because of the subsidies, the fact that we don't want the family farm to go out of business. If we allowed corn prices to be priced at what they're actually worth, then the farmers wouldn't make enough money and they would go out of business. Well, what do we mean by make enough money? See, this comes back to this whole argument, right? It's the monetary system. If we get away from the fact that there's money, involved maybe it doesn't matter that the price price of corn falls because we're not going to disadvantage the local farmer i want that farmer to have that ideal life i want them to live where they live now raise chickens cows i want that life i want to be a farmer right i'm not sure i just i just don't want to subsist on that like i don't want to have to do that or die I don't like the corporate farming. That's what I don't like. And, and it's like the corporate farming is where all the problems in our food supply, because they're centralizing it and they're, they're using like you to your point, John, they're using all of these chemicals to feed us non food that looks like food that's poisoning us. And if you look at like doing local grow your own stuff, you know, world war two that we did victory gardens, that sort of thing. But the stuff that really works and you get really nutritious food, I mean, I've forged for food. I'm kind of one of those people that if I never had to see another human being and I got dropped off in the woods, I might have a little struggles there, but we'd get it figured out. People are social people, so there's not a lot of them like you. Yeah, I know. I'm an anomaly. I can talk to the bees or whatever and be happy. But if you look at being able to grow food, like a half acre garden, a half acre garden, you can feed nine families with thirty six chickens and two goats and a half acre garden. Now, I want you to think about this. Now, if you roll into stuff like intercropping, companion cropping, intercropping, and vertical spaces, you've got way more. Even in an apartment or downtown, people have the space, even in a downtown area. to grow enough food to even sustain themselves. But they don't think that way. They're completely disconnected with the fact that you could literally leave even the things that are there. You know, you could do a community card. A person like myself could go in there and help them with a community garden that would feed an enormous amount of people. But, you know, even with what we have right now, it isn't that difficult. That's fine. Well, let's rewind the conversation because you said in the beginning when I was talking about the robots, right, you said decentralization of the food supply. It has to happen. I fully agree. What you just described, I want that for everybody. But I know there's forty million people in the country who cannot operate a garden, even if you put one In the inner city. John's going to come to our houses or Eric. Like I said, I'm inheriting a farm. I better either figure it out or have somebody else do it for me. All I'm saying is let's get that decentralized food system. Let's have those family gardens like you just described. Let's make a society where people who want to do that can do that. Right. And people who need that but can't do it can also benefit from it. And the way you get there is you get that family farm idea in the inner city. It's just there's a robot tending the garden and not the person. you got to have a share mentality when you live in a farming community. Farming communities have a share mentality. So as example, last year, all my neighbors, if they've got a garden, because I want them to produce food, because if things go to hell, I want the people around me that already have the ability to grow it, to ramp up production so that the people, because it's not going to be one person, it's going to be everybody is going to be in trouble. And we have to be able to feed the people around us and be the backbone of things in collapse. It could happen very quickly. I think that there's some safeguards there, but there's still the ability for things to melt down. If one thing happens, the entirety, because it's being held up by, you know, pieces of gum and tape right now. The whole society is being held together by that. One thing goes wrong, it's not going to bother. It's going to be an adventure for me. But like all my neighbors that have gardens, I'm like, go get some horse manure and get your gardens fed and the soil up to up to speed where it needs to be to grow things. Last year, Donna got, you know, gets her farmer hat on there and grabs the tractor. And one of our neighbors didn't have even enough to, the soil was so bad that they couldn't even keep a lawn growing really well. So I spent a couple of days there, you know, just going back and forth with a loader and bringing them, bringing them manure and such. And finally he says, you know, I grew up in a dairy farm. I can do that ding here's the keys to the tractor go take as much as you want but most of our neighbors and he's a diesel mechanic so like we can you know we kind of help each other when you have skills base skills you have something to give to the community and and that's the way that farming communities work so you're talking about barter I didn't hear you say that. He was talking about being a nice person. But it's a barter system. You're right. But what I didn't hear you say is that that guy paid you money to get the manure. He didn't pay a dime. Exactly. So what I'm hearing you say is we don't really need a monetary system for society to function. You know what, in our area, because I'm not looking for a trade, this is the other thing that's wrong with the United States. Everything is transactional. If you don't get rid of that mindset, you are part of the problem. But that is capitalism, and that is how Trump looks at it. You're making my point for me, though, about the monetary system. Not necessarily, because on a local level, it's called service to the community. And so like for me, because, you know, because, uh, let's just say we have a few gifts or, or quality. I keep chickens. I keep a lot of chickens. I fund those chickens and I do not sell per se my eggs. You know, some people will give us a little cash just because they, they know what we're doing, but I give a lot of eggs away. You know, usually I have that are producing. And I give eggs away. I bring them to the old folks home. We do that just because it's a way that I can serve God in this world. I believe for serving God first, not money. And I am never transactional, never. If there's something that needs to be done, I'm the first one to say, yep, let's go do this a minute and we'll just go do it. But I don't expect a payback. And it's the same thing with the gardens or the chickens for me. This is our service to the world. This is the same thing I do with being on and in politics. I've never taken a dime. In fact, I've lost millions of dollars serving this nation and trying to fight that. And I've never asked a dime in return. And quite honestly, sometimes I'd like to look at people and say, shame on you for making a dime on something that should be your civic duty when this country is in such a horrible shape. Shame on you for not getting your lazy behind out there. and doing things to serve others. It's like, how many times have you looked at, if you're in Michigan, which I know you're not, you know, John, but my kids, when I raised them, it was like when there was a snow storm, get your boots and your coat on and get some shovels and you go start digging the old people out. They shouldn't have to do this. Did they take money for it? Absolutely not. I would not have allowed my children to be paid for something that's a community service. It's like this is not OK. And that's one of the mindsets that needs to go. If you can produce something and share it, you have an obligation to God Almighty for everything he's given us, not to turn it into an all about me and not about you, but to go out and find those ways and people that need help and find ways. to do something productive instead of sitting on your dead ass and spending full time doing nothing but narcissistic empty pursuits. all i would circle back to you on that again being in full agreement with that is to say taking that idea and mindset to scale that's what ai and robotics is to me is a method to take what you just said to scale so more people as close to everybody as we can get can do what you just said It starts with do you even know your neighbors? Do you know your neighbors? Do you know? That's the simplest form of it. If you don't know your neighbors, you don't know. In fact, this is interesting. About a few months ago, one of our neighbors never said anything. And we see each other sporadically. We've got a text thread of about twenty of us and such that keep in communication. And we know like when people are having surgery or that sort of thing. but there was something that somebody didn't offer up unless there was a personal conversation. And, you know, I just, for the hell of it, I made some bread and I give a lot of the bread that I make away most of it. Cause I can't eat that much bread. You know, I try to make a couple loaves every single day. And, um, Brought it, brought it over to them. Yep, that's the bread that I brought into the office yesterday. It's really good. It's like cranberry Swiss cheese, really good sourdough bread. So anyhow, you know, I brought, I just, on a whim, listening to God, who do you want me to bring bread to today? Who do you want me to do something with today? Boom, name pops into my head. I walked down there to their house and said, hey, I have this bread and I thought maybe you would enjoy it today. You know, they know, everybody knows that I do this kind of crap. And she all of a sudden just unloaded in this conversation about the struggles that they are right now dealing with, a failing marriage, the amount of depression that's going on in her personally, and just trying to keep it on the rails. know what a few minutes to be a friend to somebody could and most of the therapy and drugs for therapy that's out there right there if people gave a crap to take another human being and give them the time to even be a help to a solution to their problems or to look at somebody's house and say wow Looks like they've got peeling paint. I'm going to walk over there today before the city dings them with a fine. And Millie over here lost her husband. And I'm going to take the responsibility of being a help to that person. Personally, I will take that on as my own thing that is going to matter to me. And I'm going to take Millie under my wings. That's a fictional name right there. And I'm going to say, you know what, maybe this person is struggling instead of going, wah, wah, I'm going to shake my fist and call the city on everybody. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to be the solution to that problem by offering or getting a bunch of people together and say, hey, you know what? I got a project that I need to do. Mike next door or, you know, Jenny next door and or whatever. This is something that needs to be done. And how about a few of us get together on the weekend and go over there and be a help to this person? The first step in fixing things and having no transaction involved in this. Pure giving to help. Do you know how many problems we could solve right there with cutting the government up? We would literally make the government wholly or mostly irrelevant. Nice word. if we stopped this this stuff i met this guy in in dc well they were trying to pay me off everybody's trying to pay me off and they don't realize i hate money i think money makes people stupid okay and because they think that money's gonna solve everything i'm gonna give you know like x amount of money to this charity or that charity It's going to be flushed into the hands of where their money laundering. You're doing nothing. By give, give, give to these nonprofits, it is going to a bad place and you're part of the problem. It's like funding people that are begging on the street corners. You are part of the problem. They're paying taxes like the rest of us. They're taking in about sixty grand of year because you're sappy enough to believe that you're doing something good for somebody's homeless. Not happening. It's an industry. And if you give them a dollar, you're stupid. OK, but if you look at the transactional nature, after I was offered four million in my bank account within forty eight hours, turned that one down and exposed it. Got offered a hospital system worth billions. Oh, they always say this. Oh, you don't understand. I'm like, maybe not. I'm kind of a dumb farmer. Why don't you try me? Because, you know, I shove a horse crap. I'm an idiot. Well, the whole thing, they were doing stem cell research and on and on. And you don't understand how much money this means for your family. I'm like, I'm pretty extra. I do. You know what? I'm not smart enough to play this game. You guys just go on your own way. The next one was a guy in D.C. who I kept him on the line through swearing at me, cussing at me, calling me every name on the planet and how stupid I was and on and on. You know, stupid bitch name was used many times. And I'm like, tell me more. I want to know because I want to know what you're up to. And he gets to the point of finally his frustration after hanging up on me a few times and, you know, because I was just too dumb to play the game, clearly. And he... would call me back and I wanted them talking, right? And then it was like, what do you want? You don't understand how this game in DC works. We get everything paid for. You don't have to do anything. We get it paid for. I can have a jet anywhere. I can do anything. I don't have a bank account, nothing. What do you want? And I'm like, I don't want anything. I'm pretty simple actually. And money makes people stupid. And so, you know, and this and he's like, you don't understand in the exact words coming out of this man's mouth was you don't understand. I'm a Jew. And I'm like, huh? Self-proclaimed. I'm just not making any statements that came out of his mouth. And I'm like, you know, I'm sitting there going like, where do you go with this? I mean, like the ones that killed Jesus. I don't know where you're going with this. But the whole argument fails any logic and ethics and authenticity test I could ever put this to. And he was tied into Davos and all that sort of thing. Oh, I'm going to write a book someday. It's going to be amazing. And, you know, probably not for like the rest of these hacks that do it for money, probably to actually just do social programs that would actually benefit people without transactions, right? So the whole thing about how the world works is, Part of his argument to me, the guy that said that, was like, you don't understand how transactional things are in D.C. or the world. I'm like, maybe I don't. I'm kind of dumb, you know. And going back to this transactional virus that the nation have, when you serve God, it is without conditions, right? without conditions because, and he says it clearly in the Bible. I don't know why people miss it, but they do. He says you serve him in truth and justice. You do what's right and he will add everything to you you need. When we try to work in our own power, you're going to fail. You're going to fail every time. The only one that ever, ever works is a non-transactional MO on life and let God worry about the rest. He does provide in all things. And so there's a shift in the way we approach things. The churches, they're apostate. Look at them, the ones that shut down during COVID. This is an industry that's been infiltrated. And I mean, there's some good ones out there. I'm not going to make a blatant statement on anyone because it's all good. It's kind of entangled with good and evil. But the church in Jesus told us that the church was kind of apostate. He had things he held against every single church in his time. He told us the church was going to be apostate. It was going to degrade and go more and more because it's operating in commerce. Get the butts in the seat to afford the the. air conditioning, the heat, to have more programs going on, to have pastors that are getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in salaries, into the millions in some of them. This is commerce. This is the same bastardized system that was going on with the Pharisees in Jesus' time who put him to death. He gave up his life. He could have called it off. But he just said, let's play ball because I got something hidden in my back pocket, and that's going to be the forgiveness of the sins of the world. They were useful in achieving that goal for God Almighty. And I would hope that the people out there would get smart enough to be able to question the religious systems, the fake Christianity, the fake Islam that's been in infiltrated with, with paid operatives, all of these fake systems that try to capture our attention and get back to the reality that's been the reality from the beginning of time. We are flawed. We have to have a way to change and shift that and live as, um, In God's kingdom, which acknowledges also the fact that we are flawed and we got one way out. And that's accepting God's gift of salvation. That's it. You can't work for it. It's impossible. And I'd like to kind of throw in a couple of things. Go ahead. I'm now, but I agree with everything you said, Eric. I a hundred percent agree with everything you said, because what you're saying, Donna, and I like to use this as an example, the reason we don't talk to our neighbors is because of this. So in our world, I'm sorry, the older boomers, as I hear the kids today say the boomers have everything. That means I want to take this away from my children. Oh my God. They don't know a life without it. So in, in Eric's position, AI is, really is going to have to evolve into your world. So what you're saying is I have to remove all the technology and go back to the dark ages, which is what our children think you're saying. And I'm not saying that that's what you're saying, but that's what they hear. And I think this is probably the most evil tool ever created. But the reality is we do have to now build a foundation that incorporates all of these measures. Because what you're saying is you walk in and you're willing to give and you're willing to give. But you know what? I watched a documentary that happened in Afghanistan. That's when I learned. And it was after the Iraqi war. It was a great documentary done by Ken Burns. I know everybody may say he's a terrible man, but you know what? Phenomenal documentary. It was ten hours. My wife and family made fun of me because I watched it from start to finish. But in that documentary, I'm seeing how the military... is up and down all these poppy fields. Well, back then I didn't think about it. Today I realize, whoa, they showed me what they were doing. And they said, the farmer in Afghanistan doesn't know what he's doing. He's farming poppy. And he's selling that poppy. But you know what? He's also got a family of ten people behind him. He needs the income. So I get the transactional piece. But you can't change the world in their dynamic. That income fed his family. So in his world, he's doing everything he can to provide for his family. He has no idea that the CI is taking that poppy and selling it as cocaine and anything else. So the reality is there are a lot of dynamics in play. And what I've learned is while I applaud what you're saying, there's only five percent of you. That's okay. Because that's where, you know, as Eric said earlier, we've got to get people to think differently. How do we get people to think differently? And that's the biggest challenge we have. I'm not talking about giving everything away. I'm saying even do the small things. Well, just talking to your neighbor is a big part of it. And you know what? I'd rather be on Facebook showing everybody my life is perfect. And when I put it down... I'm depressed because I've been lying to everybody forever. Let me offer a perspective on that. So I'm totally in sync with you on the cell phone and technology in general. And again, this is one of those topics where I have like a mile of depth that you have no idea about. I almost was a co-founder of Facebook. I avoided it by a hair's breadth. And I thank God that I was cheated out of it. Right. I, I would not have been able to live with myself had I actually been part of building what it became. Didn't want that. Can you, can you honestly address the life log situation? Um, I can, right. You don't have to do it right this second. You continue your thought. Well, I, I can because, um, the company that I was running in. That led to, um, the IP of which was stolen by one of the co-founders of Facebook. In order to survive the dot com blow up, we had an offer from In-Q-Tel for funding. And we turned it down because we knew what it meant. We chose to go out of business and go bankrupt and have that company fail rather than take the money from In-Q-Tel. The guys that founded Facebook did not have those morals. They did take that money from In-Q-Tel and other places, right? I'm glad I didn't have anything to do with that, but I came really close to being part of that world. My point, though, is that in this utopian world that I'm describing that's to come, technology will fade into the background. And that's already happening, too. And what I mean by that is, and Donna uses this every day, you talk to this AI by voice. A time is coming when keyboards will make no, there won't need to be a keyboard anymore. You won't need a mouse. You won't need a screen. What you'll do is you'll talk. and i like that i like the fact that communication is going to be the strength of the future right i like the fact that the bible says in the beginning was the word right and the word was god let's get to a society in which we spend more time talking to each other instead of typing thumb typing on a phone posting on facebook right that stuff's going to fade into the background This is a great conversation today because of the different perspectives that we've all brought to the table. And this is how you talk through things and walk away and say, I want to talk more because I want to learn more of what they know. And, you know, and incorporate all of this because there's so many there's so many idiosyncrasies. And you can sit here and pulling ideas like fireflies out to to build this knowledge base. Even just the three of us sitting here. It's extraordinary. So I don't foresee Blade Runner future, if you remember that movie. That's not my idea. I saw both of them. Right. That's not my idea of some ideal future state, right? My idea of an ideal future state is a small farm, a Mayberry, little community. that is supported in what it does and how it operates by these technologies, but they're in the background. I don't have to see the robot in my face, twenty four seven to know that it's out there tending my garden and making it possible for me to have cucumbers year round. All I know is I walk out my front door and I see a garden with cucumbers. How it gets there and how it works without pesticides and how every kind of fresh vegetable that I like is planted for me, intended for me. That's what I see the technology doing. But I want that to be in the background. I don't want to have a cell phone. I don't want to have one of these goggles over my head, like Snow Crash. I don't want that feature. AI and robotics doesn't have to lead to that dystopia is my main point. With all that, I love the utopian vision because obviously that's what we all want. But throughout mankind, greed surpasses utopia. So with that said, and I unfortunately have followed into the MKUltra deal, but you understand when you watch it, you learn by watching it. And maybe you probably have seen the movie that Obama put out on Netflix, No Man Left Behind or whatever it was called, where the guy needed medicine. But the other guy who was crazy, like Donna, who might be living on a farm with a gun, and she's got the medicine, but he needs that medicine for his daughter. Well, he ends up paying a whole lot more than he should to get that medicine. So in the barter system of the utopian society, greed will always still be there. And until society can put boundaries on what things are worth, which I do believe our monetary system does to a degree, that we've got to have a boundary there. Otherwise people have no idea what it is that anything's worth. Cause what's worth something to you may not be worth something to me. And that's how this alignment becomes in a barter system as well. But it also has the time to even out too. I mean, it's just like, you know, if you let things go to their natural levels, it has a way, you know, there'll be more competition and to provide these things too. So you have, you have a decentralization part of that too. And I think that's- Metanoia again, you've got to think bigger, right? No, and that's why I was throwing that out there. It's your utopian perspective of human greed that's been there forever. Let's take that specific example. The specific example is the man needs medicine for his daughter, and this other person has it, and he has to pay a high price to get the medicine, right? That's a problem. And the greed is the problem, right? step up a level right what happens in a world in which you have a robot that can manufacture that medicine in thirty seconds you don't need to go to the neighbor to ask for it you can build it yourself what happens in a world in which all the resources we need to live healthy comfortable productive valuable lives is accessible to us without depending on somebody else to trade it with That's another layer, right? When I talk about the garden of Eden, I don't think it's that far. Only because we have no faith. Potentially. And so I'm going to give you another one that's going to throw a fly in the ointment here. And that's the fact that go back to the Bible and what happened with a few loaves and a few fishes and a few loaves there that fed the masses. We can solve all of our problems going back to God because we don't see miracles. We don't see God working because we're still too immersed in the material world. There are other ways that things can happen. And I mean, I totally believe that anything can be changed, boom, like that. Spontaneous healing, I believe in that. Does God always heal us spontaneously? He doesn't always do that because he has other plans for us. I think a lot of times, and I did write about this yesterday, about the whole cancer thing, as well as the posts that I put out there, I learned something that... fell on, on my, myself and one of my sons. We, we both, you know, been diagnosed or have, have or have cancer. Okay. He's, he's been free of it for, I don't know, many, many years. But, but I chose, I know how to kill it all, but I chose not to. And I did that because first off, I'm not afraid to die. And I have seen the other side. It's way preferable to be in here. I'm going to tell you that right now. Anybody that's seen the other side will tell you that they're like, oh, don't make me go back. Right? That's just the way it works. But aside from that, both my son and I see having cancer as a gift from God. And I'll tell you why. I was never sad for one minute and he really wasn't either, you know, but our makeup is, is totally alien to here. I'm just going to tell you that right now. And so when I look at it, it's like, oh, this is great. You know, God gave me something else to fight. I like to fight things. I like to make a difference and I'm not afraid to die. And so I went, you know, you go to the cancer doctor, like, I don't know, I went four times. It was a waste of time. The first second I went into oncology or any of it. And I just, after the fourth time, I just never went back. I just was like, I'm, I'm really done with this. Their, their diagnosis sucks. So I won't be doing that because I know where theirs is going to lead. It's going to be death. And I got too many things to fight right now because I've seen too many, too much stupidity out there that I can't just die and let it stand. Right. So, you know, we found because we do a lot of research together on a lot of things. We're super nerds. Right. I turned my body into an experiment. I tried everything that they said would kill me because I figured they were trying. It wasn't to die. It was because I figured they were hiding something and there was a nugget of truth that had to be explored. I went in, I looked at all the lethal dosages, the minimal dosages, how it acts, what systems in your body, what pathways it affects and everything like that. and said, okay, I'm going to try here. And I'm going to see, I'm going to take that to the point where I see a result, either good or bad. I'll back it down or I'm going to see what combinations work. And I figured it out. And in curable cancer, I figured it out. So now I have the knowledge of how to kill it. But what I didn't accomplish yet was how to do it quick enough that the average person who has no faith in God and has no patience and has is driven by fear will not have to deal with this and stumbled on something yesterday. And it was right there. Didn't have it figured out until yesterday. And so before I throw this out, because it's the quickest way from point A to point B, all cancer is curable. I'm going to tell you that right now. Point A to point B and the medical profession can only cure two percent of it. So whatever comes out of their mouth is a bunch of lying filth right from the right from the devil's gut. OK, when when when You look at how people are made up and this is the shift that has to take. It's a shift in the way we look at things away from fear into possibilities. It's hard for people, human beings. I've made a life of studying human beings because I'm not wired that way. I never have been. And so I was born the way I am. And it's like with pretty much no fear and sick of everything that's wrong. What people have to realize is the only way out for everyone because they're just going to keep laying traps because it's fun to play with people. It's fun. Psychopaths think it's fun to hurt people. That's their MO. They like to hurt people. It's sick, it's wrong, and it's evil. The only way out of any of this for all of us is you got to go to no fear and you will never go to no fear unless you are literally walking in truth and righteousness with God on this earth. You do something wrong, sabotages the relationship. You don't get back into that relationship because you'll stay away from it because you have to face God. You're looking in the face of truth and purity and all things good and you will see the filth that you have just done. OK, we've all done it at some point in time because we're human. Humans are flawed. OK, but unless you go to complete reliance on God in every situation, realizing he's right here, you're not going to get away from him. It may seem like he's somewhere else, but guess what? He is in you. He's around you. He's here. You're under his scrutiny. You want to talk about the ultimate surveillance. God's had that figured out better than the NSA has ever done from before you were born. And, you know, so if you have the mindset that, That nothing is really scary when you get diagnosed with something like cancer, as I did. I was like, OK, this is going to turn out to be a gift from God. Let's see how I can. You know, I'm going to stretch. I'm going to grow. I'm going to learn new things. I'm going to tackle this as a project to figure out. And what ended up happening is incredible. You know, people will talk about cancer and how to kill it. Guess what? I wasn't just talking about it. I wasn't just researching it. I was my own specimen to play with until I could get this thing figured out. and talking to other people who have kind of gone down that path because they had no options i had some i i had i didn't really have any options either incurable cancer is incurable right according to their standards so they're just going to go to burn slash and poison that's the only methods that the medical community has burn radiation slash surgery and poison the um chemotherapies and such and so if you look at everything in life even the things that go wrong and go i don't like it i've got a ton of those things the the water that they stole from me i don't like it i'm gonna go in it's wrong and i'm gonna go try to fight it right We have to do that. That's an important part of life. But in your spirit, while you're going through this, you can sit in an incredible peace. that once you give it to God, knowing that his purposes are being achieved, that God uses the things that people and man think are bad, he will take it and use it for good if you are walking with him. You cannot walk with God. You will always have a barrier between the knowledge that you need, the miracles that will come and show up if you are not walking in a way that is as sin-free as you possibly can. And we're going to make mistakes, we're going to make mistakes, but intentional sin puts a barrier between you and God. And you'll know it. You'll feel sick to your stomach. You know when you've done something that was intentionally wrong or hurt somebody. But the great thing is when you ask him for forgiveness and say, I'm in repentance. I'm changing my mind. I'm going to do something different. I want to be forgiven. He does. And it's like a new day from that point. He never remembers it. But you better not lie to God because he already knows whether it's a true repentance or Or just you got caught and now you've got a problem that you got yourself into. True repentance is turning away from things and your life will become a testimony to it. And I think that some of the things that every one of us has in our background, where God is leading us out of that sinful nature into forgiven and forgiven in his mercy by grace. If you actually love God, you will do anything in the world to avoid disappointing him because you know him. It's not because you're trying to get rewards. When I hear people talk about it, I'm like, fake and or Or somebody who is very, very underdeveloped or immature. If you're working for rewards, that's a very immature mindset. Take that to what Eric said earlier. It's a different way of thinking. It is. It all comes back kind of full circle to that. But it's the same thing. You've been fed so much, you can't think for yourself. We need to have people think. change the way they think. And what you're saying is absolutely that. So I do have one question. Did you do it with Finn Benz and all? I tried everything on the planet and I can tell you how everything works because I found an alternative doctor and I said, all right, I want you to monitor what I'm doing because I need feedback on my tests. Yep. But you're not going to tell me what to do. And I'm like, and because I die on my own terms. Okay. That's the way I will die on my own terms. And to that point, when you walk with God, nobody can really kill you. They can think they are, but you're going to die on the day that God appointed you to die. Okay. Right. And so you can walk through life absolutely unafraid, knowing your life is truly in his hands up to the day you die. I have taken fenbendazole. And that was one of the things that I do. I will do tests on where I isolate different things. And I'll tell you the reaction that I had with fenbendazole, which I found was really interesting. And this needs to go in the book. If you get your fenbendazole intake or what I did, I had a dosage of two twenty two in the morning and two twenty two at night. What I noticed right away was I started coughing stuff up and it was nasty. It was like it had a smell. It had a it was just kind of it was kind of like, whoa, I didn't expect this. But I started coughing stuff up out of my lungs that the only explanation it wasn't like a cold. It wasn't like it was a it was an expelling thing. As they say, it's a parasite, but go on. It was absolutely expelling something that fenbendazole was killing. And it took about, it was like I lost my voice for over a week where I was like, I mean, it was like I was literally, I lost my voice and I was like this. And I was coughing stuff up. It smelled awful. And it was just like I was kind of disgusted with myself at that moment in time. But I knew I was getting a result over something. And so when you look at when you look at what I was diagnosed with, I was diagnosed with leukemia. And leukemia, the end result with most of that is you're going to die by pneumonia and such. But it also hangs out in your liver and your spleen and pretty much everywhere else. Actually, I found that it's more in your skin than anywhere else. which was real interesting to me. But if you do that, you are going to be eliminating something. But is it the end to end all? No, because what we're dealing with is biofilms. And so if you use one thing that is taking care of one problem, the biofilm and the relationships in the biofilms in our bodies will compensate to fill that and thereby enabling the protection for those populations to come back up. So you have to treat it. And that's where our normal or modern day antibiotics fail. They're a single action antibiotic when we're sick. They don't work. You're going to see things like, you know, and you're going to see things like Lyme disease and some of these other things that they're trying to take out. They use a single action antibiotic to attack something that's surviving in a biofilm. You can't deal with any problems until you deal with it holistically, like a whole problem. But I did single action things that I've done. I can't even tell you how many things I've done. It's just it's crazy that I can documented. It's all documented in what I did and such. But I can tell you that the new thing that I found. the catalyst that can be identified that is the base for all lymphomas is what I found. And this can't be discounted as significant beyond all means. All of the cures are there. We can go and we can find them, right? But now my question is finding that. There are several things that will quickly take this down, but I want to find the quickest, most bomb-proof for people who are not patient and that are afraid to die, because I'm not. And so because there's a way of doing it now, I can test leukemia with myself, which I love doing. It's fantastic. It's like it's a it's a project, a science experiment. Right. And and I've been able to drop high leukemia counts more than thirty percent in less than twenty eight days. So the gal that was monitoring it, she's like, so you're still pretty high. And I'm like, look at this. I just dropped leukemia. Thirty percent in twenty eight days. It's curable. And I know how to do it. And so I went along. So I'm like, because I know how to cure it, I don't want to cure it. I want to play with it because I want to find the quickest way to get to the end game for people that don't have the guts and the stupidity that I have in life. Right. And so or the or the guts and the bravery and the lack of fear. So I play with these things. But what I found was the base of the catalyst for all lymphomas. And this is going to, if I can find, I'm not going to put it out there because it's just going to incite fear in a lot of people, which don't be afraid. Don't go down the stupid path. Okay. I'm a horse trainer. Horses are stupid. They see a chipmunk jumping at them. They'll jump right off a cliff, right? This is a chipmunk that we're dealing with. This is not a lion that's going to eat you. This is not a threat. Okay. The only threat is the quickness in getting the absolute way to kill this quickly. And that's what I'm going to work on. So I'm going to throw out a couple of things that I'm hearing that I always go back to simple truths. As I try to teach my son to play the markets, I tell him patience is really the winner in the game. What you're telling us is that you're trying to cure it quickly. But when you actually listen to the truth, and I think you probably know this, because when you see that chemotherapy, actually, whether you're sick or not, kills ninety seven percent of the people that actually take it. Absolutely. So it's not. So when you tell them the truth on how long they're going to be sick with cancer, with the traditional methodologies, your patients. of trying to compete it quickly is simply getting into their mind, again, to go back to what Eric said, a change of thinking. Right. So when you look at it that way and you realize that, you know, every cure is out there, it's just the pharmaceutical industry works with the financial industry to crush the patents so they can buy them and put it all on the table and never bring it out. Chemotherapy. Can only work on if anybody has any cancer in their body. I want you to process this because this is important. This is really important. Chemotherapy at best. At best. It has a sixty percent chance of getting rid of the cancer in your body. You got stem cells floating around. If you got a tumor, you got stem cells floating around in most cases. And I'm going to give myself a legal way out of this. Right. In most cases, check with your doctor first or whatever. Right. It's like it's like sixty percent. And this is a stated rule. statistic that is out there recorded statistic it's chemotherapy can only kill sixty percent of the cancers in bodies so what gets rid of the rest of it think this thing through ask yourself questions and you'll reason yourself out of things that are harmful for you what if you take radiation Look at the people that have taken radiation. I've had many of them that took radiation. They died from it. They didn't die from cancer. They died from the radiation. Right. And so, and chemo, you know, it's like when I asked the question, well, what does the rest of my life look like at the diagnosis of this with the oncologist, right? They're like, well, you know, they talk to you like you're five years old. It's the dumbest thing you've ever seen in your life. And it's like, well, you know, you know, things just don't go right sometimes. And we've got four chemos we can give you. And everyone. And I'm like, well, then what's next? You know, I'm kind of pragmatic and they're like, well, each one gets a little less effective. I'm like, well, what's after the failed chemo. She just told me that chemo is not going to work. Right. So we go to the next step. I'm like, well, well, what, what happens after chemotherapy? Well, we can probably do a bone marrow transplant. And I'm going to tell you, it starts in your bones for leukemia, terrible pain, bone pain. Um, And it was in my brain at the time too. And my bones, horrible pain, like stuff you can't sleep through. And well, we've got bone marrow transplant. We probably try that. And I'm like, well, what's after that? Most, most people die. And I'm like, well, okay, I'm going to be your first cure. She looks at me like she's into not, you know, she didn't say it, but she's like, let's do this again. Takes another twenty minutes to explain this, gets to the end and looks at me like, when's the hysteria going to start? And I'm like, okay it's not going to change anything i'm going to be your first cure the will to live and so well actually it's the will it's the refusal to fail right that's what it is and so you know she she's like looks at me and she got mad she literally like do you understand this is a cancer diagnosis and i'm like clearly more than you do that i'm going to be the first cure And I went back three other times after that. I'm like, these are the stupidest people I've ever dealt with in my life. They are not problem solvers. They are a medical mafia set up to extract as much money as they can. financially keep you alive until you're broke absolutely and so I'm like I'm kind of done with this kind of nonsense this is bullshit and I mean that's exactly how I look I was never sad for one minute I never cried I didn't get all upset about it I started problem solving and well my wife's on these pages and and Finn Benz and all was one of them but it actually works better when it with in conjunction of another one. I can't remember that. Well, ivermectin is one of them, but there's another one that starts with an M. Those three things with the right diagnostic can almost cure anything. And when I started to watch this, I started to really kind of, and this is where I was, my son had an eye disease. a degenerative eye disease. It's keratoconus. His iris was expanding to where he couldn't see. He actually saw three and four times the amount of people. So the giant E that's on top of the eye screen, he couldn't see it without corrective vision. But the only way to actually stop it, because it wasn't FDA approved, was to go down to Miami for experimental treatment to where they actually took a laser and destroyed his cornea. They literally blew it up. And then all they did was took vitamin B drops for twenty four hours and dropped them into his eyes and it rebuilt the cornea. But the reality was there was no money in the industry. The laser beam was created. It was cheap. Vitamin B drops, extremely cheap. So the FDA, and nobody was willing to take the process to the FDA because nobody could make any money off of it. FDA is a for-profit. No, I get that. So the long and the short is when we saw that happen with my son, that's when we decided, The medical industry, again, and this is back in two thousand sixteen, probably when we went through this with my son. But it was like, this is crazy how this is all set up. So that opened my eyes to that. I actually had a heart attack. I don't know if you guys knew that. I think I told you that, Donna, but I had a heart attack in two thousand seventeen. And I'm sorry, this may go against some of the. preachings that you've offered donna but there was a there's a time and place for everything well and and i look at it as a will to live so they've got the minister preacher comes in to basically read these blessings over me and i said who are you because i they weren't dressed like a minister they were just dressed as a in a suit and they explained to me that they were going to pray for me and all this other stuff and i'm sorry because i am that guy I'm in a heart attack. I'm not feeling any pain. They basically looked at me, said, stop crossing your legs, get up, come into the back. You've got a heart attack. We need to work on you right away. Of course. So my wife's freaking out. I'm dying. Right. In my opinion, I was not dying because I didn't feel anything. But when I asked who they were and they said, I'm the father to read these rights to you. And I said, I am not dying. I do not need you. Thank you very much. So again, it kind of goes against what you said. But literally, they'd like to scare you to death in these situations. And then I've got this nurse. I'm in the ICU and I've got this nurse afterwards. I've got this nurse he's thirty five years old sharp kid knows everything he's telling me these stories about how he's encouraged because I'm going to live so I'm an ICU he says I've been promoted through the ranks I'm on this floor because I'm good I started here I got better I got better and now I'm up here he says honestly eighty-five the eighty-five percent of the people on this floor die I see that every day. I've got you in here. I know that you are going to live. I'm going to focus on you. And he says, honestly, this is the last weekend he was actually going to be a nurse. He was retiring. He was quitting. I'm thinking to myself, OK, if you're that good, why are you quitting? What am I missing? And he literally told me at that time. And so this was in twenty seventeen. He says to me, what you don't realize is the doctors don't teach you how to live by teaching by what you eat, by diet. They don't have a clue. They're only here to treat you as customers. And he says, in ICU, he was actually quitting as a nurse to go into public speaking for nutrition. And to me, that was like a huge eye-opening experience. I went through the whole statins and everything else. I don't take those anymore because the doctor tells you to. Bunch of correlations there. But I also worked in the sunscreen industry. And you can see a direct correlation with the use of sunscreen with skin cancer. So everything out there is just screams to you. And people say, well, how can that be? And I say, well, you don't understand because I work for a small company and they were trying to take out the cancerous stuff. But it would make so, it's so cost prohibitive for these manufacturers to do that because of the timeframe, the testing, all the things that go with it. There was a huge lobbyist firms that kept from ever changing the formulas. It was literally crazy what I watched. in the industry of the medical industry. And that always put me on my heels relative to that. And so I think maybe that's helped me think differently, as Eric likes to say. When you start seeing these things, you question everything. You have to. Yeah, see, so like I home birthed my kids. I homeschooled them. I was done with this whole system, you know, and my kids are little and I'm sixty two years old. You have to question everything. But as a as an encouragement, I know I get dinged a lot by people. It's like, oh, no, she's talking, you know, bad stuff again. These hard subjects and such. It's like that's how you fix them. You got it. If there's a fire, you got to run right into the fire. Running away from it is just going to allow it to spread. You run into the fire, deal with the problems, and then it's done, you know? And it's like, but running away from things just so that you can deal with things mentally, you're still going to have to deal with them. And so, and I know not everybody's wired like I am. I get it. I totally get it, right? Not all of us are able to do that. That's okay. Some of us are. And some of us are going to look at the fire and we're going to run right into that fire and put the fire out. you know, that has to do with, with, with cancer and everything else. But the, you know, there's things that all of us need to do the fear food pyramid. It is wrong, totally wrong. And as a point of levity, the black line around it, it's always coffee. Okay. You know, that holds all the boxes together. Okay. That's a joke. Um, but, but at, at any rate, The food pyramid is wrong. What we're eating is wrong. How we're eating is wrong. You know, they made us believe we had to have three meals a day. You know, that sort of thing. I've tried to tell people about the whole Bible verse, how they say fast. And I said, so if you really think back to it, why do they call it breakfast? I mean, the whole thing is just one big marketing ploy after another. Just sell more food and such that we don't need. I mean, if you looked at the village, the village could stand to lose a little weight here, you know. And it's like, like kind of a concern, you know, and there are days I have fat days where I'm like, oh, Brandenburg, you got to lose a few pounds here because you're getting too fat to fit in your pants. Right. And it's like, it's like all of us, you know, we have such abundance around us and such that the abundance in some ways has contributed to poor health. Well, one of the things that we learned because, again, I've been in a food industry. It's not food. It's not good food. It's just abundance. But my wife works for a big company today. She works for a company called Primal Kitchen, which is all very good ingredients, but it was bought by Kraft Heinz. So we're watching all the stuff and how they're trying to bring it in and all this other stuff. But what's ironic is in the seventies and eighties, I watched this because I was in the industry in eighty five. So you see the cigarette companies and you hear now today that nicotine is really not the problem. It's the chemicals that were in the cigarettes that are the problems. So when the government comes in and says, stop what you're doing. Nabisco gets bought out by the cigarette companies. And so what the food industry has done is taken that, that chemically based knowledge that drives, um, basically demand it drives the where you have to have it. So it's addictive. So they've turned food into an addiction just like they did with cigarettes. And it's just evolved from there. So they've just taken it slowly and put the ingredients in there to make it addictive, which is the problem with the entire industry. Now, my wife, because she's really good at this, the emulsifiers, all the stuff that are in these products, that's the stuff that is literally shutting our bodies down because that's the stuff your body can't get rid of. And so I'm watching her company, which is great, but of course it's a higher price. So when it's a higher price, the poor can't get through it. That's why I do believe that that commodity world that we talked about earlier, the raw vegetables, the raw meat, I mean, the fact that what Trump's doing with the meat industry, he's calling it a criminal cartel in the beef industry. Well, when he breaks that cartel, prices are going to come down. It's going to make it all more affordable. But that's why I say that space in the commodity space is going to adjust. What the manufacturers do with that adjustment in commodities is where we need to keep a very close eye on it because Wall Street won't let them do it. They literally will not let them lower the prices. So that commodity-based world of the true food, to your point, the food pyramid is, Again, to Eric's point, how do we get people to think differently? Quit going into the grocery store, stay out of the center aisle, buy local meat, buy local farms. But that's the hard function of life because of the addiction. So they want, they want, I got to have my Oreos. Oh my God, I'm seeing online. You can't even burn an Oreo anymore. So just because I've been in the food industry, I've watched that evolve for decades. too long and it scares me to death because even I can't put down some things, which is really sad. Yeah, it's really, it's really interesting. Did you know that, um, a doctor, a doctor friend of mine, who's a good guy, he's, he's retired now, but we were talking about, um, uh, basal cell and, and, or skin cancer, as well as, as lung cancer. He said, it's actually the exact same cancer. He said, that's just the way that it reacts in the mucous membranes in your lungs. And, um, To the point, I will give you guys one thing that you should take today with you that is one of those things in my toolkit that I know. There's something that comes from time, the herb, It's called Thymol. Thymol is also in, and I'm not pushing a product. I'm not a product pusher. I'm just telling you this. I don't get paid for this. What I do know, and this was from my doctor, he said, when my kids started getting COVID and stuff, he said, I told him, get a bottle of Listerine and gargle about five times a day. It's got thymol in it. And he said, it's the quickest way to kill any of the COVID viruses because there's not one, there's a ton of them. They just modified it. And so it's like, if you take, If you take and you just and I and I started thinking about that and I'm like, my dad was right again. The guy was always right on everything. Right. We're kids. We're sick all the time as kids. Dad gets up to do to do to do off to work. He goes strong papa. Right. Never sick. The guy was never sick. As soon as he said that, I was like, you got to be kidding me. Dad gargled with Listerine every single morning before he went to work and such, and he was never, ever sick, ever. And I was like, Dad was right again. Should have caught up with him and just followed what he said because he was always right. He's like President Trump. President Trump, he's just kind of always right. What he says is going to happen. It's going to happen. You argue with him, you're going to look like a stupid kid someday when all of a sudden, magically, things just sort of happen. And it's like, wow. Ah, I didn't see that coming. No, because he's playing the game theory and he's smart. Let me let me jump in real quick. I got to leave, too. But I got to go get hay. I have a daily a daily ritual since I think about two years ago is when I started doing this. But I have dry time leaves and I just in the morning and night, I just chew on dry time. And the reason I did that is it's it's I watched a video. So do my medical advice thing. All right. where it was described that it thins your mucus. So it's a way for people to have asthma and stuff like that to thin out that mucus layer and cough it out. So I just chew thyme leaves, but it's also a great breath freshener. So get up in the morning, throw a little pouch of thyme, chew on it for a little while. So I've been doing that, right? There's your thymol. There you go. And the point being is that it gets rid of the bacteria and the other stuff in your mouth. It's a natural way to do that. Have either of you guys ever heard of a product called Moringa? Yes. But when I was unemployed for my sunscreen, Moringa was looking for a national sales manager. I did submit a resume. I never got a thing back. But literally, I have some Moringa downstairs right now that it tastes like dirt, but it is supposedly pretty good for you. Yeah, we all ate the dirt when we were kids. So, I mean, there's like no crying. We're old guys here and we were eating dirt and drinking out of hoses and kissing the cat's paws. And who knows what else we were doing, you know? Well, I do have one more question before we do depart. Yeah, I got to say a prayer. Eric didn't answer it. Were you part of LifeLog? You said there was a that you were part of it, but you didn't take this. Somebody else stole it and then it went to Facebook. Yeah, no, no, no. I wasn't part of that, but I know the backstory. Okay. And I know that that project was a DARPA thing. Right. What I was talking about was In-Q-Tel. That was a CIA venture capital fund. If you look up the history of In-Q-Tel. No, I've heard of In-Q-Tel, yes. so um what i shared was that we we were offered funding to continue going um from incutel we we turned it down and you know we went out of business as a result but um yeah i mean those things were sort of connected right there was a okay there was the lifelog stuff and then there was the um but you know the timing was auspicious the way we see things and how it unfolded yes Because of that experience, that was nineteen ninety nine. I've been, you know, staunchly opposed to the surveillance state, partly because I'm guilty of helping build it. Right. No. Right. And I've carried that around as sort of a guilty burden since those days. You know, nineteen ninety six. I built this technology that had some. you know, usefulness for protecting the military and all that. But it became applied in a different direction that I didn't agree with. There's always a positive for the people that build it because they try to keep you away from the people that understand it. I can share this track with you. We need people to have good intentions and think that this is going to be a really good thing in order to hurt people because there are some really evil people out there. And, you know, you have to be on your game and look for this and just don't believe things. But you also have to be able to look at your management in the eye and tell them I'm leaving. And that's where challenges exist. Go ahead, Eric. You had something else. I was going to say, but I got to drop off. I was going to say that when I worked at the NSA, I had a guy who was a contractor there. And when I left the company in two thousand, he wrote me an email and he said, you are the finest engineer I ever worked with at the NSA in forty years. Wow. And that was relations. That was a great compliment, you know, from from somebody like that. So I left there, you know, with with that positive feeling and it kind of went southward as time progressed, you know, as we got through nine eleven. And, you know, what happened after that? You know, the surveillance state that, you know, that you began to realize what you created. Exactly. You know, this whole, this whole travel restriction thing, you know, that we still deal with the TSA. I can't stand the TSA. Right. And I watched all these people just sort of Ignore it. Just do it. Put your hands up. Why do they make you do that? It's surrender. It's surrender. It doesn't work better when you do that. It's surrender. So, I mean, I've been aware of that and opposed to it going back to the late nineties because of what I experienced, what role I played in it. Right. So anyway, I have to drop off here. Well, it was good to meet you. Thank you. Well, let's say you want to stay for prayers or if you don't want to stay for prayers, that's fine. I'm going to stay for prayers. Dear Heavenly Father, thank you so much for Eric and John and all the wonderful people that are out there that have been fighting so hard for so long to write things. I ask that you would bless and protect President Trump and all those people around him. They're fighting for your good purposes in our government as you lead us out of this very insidious system that has been created over decades and decades. And we just ask that you would make it very clear to us. Sometimes I know I'm kind of dumb sometimes and it takes me a while to get it. But I'm asking that you would make things very evident to us that we are going in the right direction. We want to follow you. We don't want to be in charge anymore. We want you to be in charge because we're going to screw it up if we're in charge. It has to be all of us, not just one nation under God, but one world of people who care for each other and take care of your world, your kingdom. And your creation. We don't want to hurt anybody. We don't want to hurt this world. We want to be here and be part of the solution. And knowing that, you know, whatever you plan for us, it's going to turn out okay. This is going to be all okay. Because I know, we know that you're in charge and you're good all the time. Thank you so much for everything. Thank you for everything you've done for us. In the name of Jesus Christ, we pray. May your favor be upon us all. Amen. Okay. So with that said, boys and girls, we have to go to that part of the show. Ding, ding, ding. Please go to our brand for governor.com because I'm the best non-conceder who's ever not conceded in the history of the United States of America. And I'd like to have a discussion with the rightful president of the United States, President Donald J. Trump and Cowboy Boots. I'll win that competition because I wear them every day. So I'm going to win that. Who wears it better? And then we're going to sit down and talk about real things and we're going to fix things with honesty and truth. So with that said, guys, you know, The biggest advice that I would give my children, I'm not saying you're my children. I really that's like a big job. But, you know, the biggest advice to give everyone is that when you shift your focus to the fact that who is in charge, it's God. And ain't nobody going to step in front of him. You know, people can think they do. But with God in charge, everything is going to be okay. It's going to be okay. Don't be afraid of things. Don't let it push you into fear. Don't let it push you into something that's going to hurt you. Think, pray, and then follow his leading. His leading may be counterintuitive to everyone you know. It may not agree with anything that seems rational. But his leading will always lead you out of trouble. And this is what the nation needs. We don't need to be doing it the same way we've always been doing it. We need to be doing it a different way. giving up our biases, our egos, and our plans and going with his plan because our plans fail. His plan is the only way out of this. And I'm okay with that. That's great. I don't really want to be that in charge of things because this place is a mess. And he's the only one that has the vantage point and the plan on how to get us out of this. But he is the answer to all of our problems in life. And if you don't understand that, pick up a Bible, start listening to scripture. And all of a sudden, his Holy Spirit will tell you what it's really saying. And you'll get eyes that will see. And ears that will hear. You'll get the meanings and stuff. And it's an amazing thing. And then you'll start seeing miracles happen that you would have never in a million years expect. It's not. Don't ever be afraid. Don't be afraid of dying. I'm not saying run to the finish line here because we got work to do. OK, but, you know, be brave in the way that you conduct your life. Be brave. He will give you everything you need. He never asks us to do anything that he doesn't equip us with. And be brave. It's going to be okay. With that said, God bless you. God bless all those whom you love. And God bless America. Make it a great day. Tomorrow, I've got a fabulous show on tomorrow. It's going to be amazing. Some people from Canada and also a microbiologist who's hiding out outside of the country because they're going to try to kill him in this country. He's already had the threats. But guess what? He's fixing a lot of stuff. And he's got stuff that they don't want to have out in the public. Guess what? Tomorrow, it's going to be another great day on Brandenburg News Network where there's no transactions happening and we're going to bring the truth. So I'll see you tomorrow. Stay on the line, John. Bye. Bye. We got hay to move.